RE: Why's it so difficult for some to accept Obama was a good president
January 11, 2017 at 3:03 pm
(This post was last modified: January 11, 2017 at 3:15 pm by Whateverist.)
(January 10, 2017 at 11:02 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: It requires acknowledging that the opposing party may do some good, which is anathema to most American politicians.
Your effort to be fair and impartial here might actually promote the idea that repubs and democrats are equally staunch in their willingness to run the economy into the ground when their party is not in the white house. That isn't true.
(January 11, 2017 at 11:59 am)mlmooney89 Wrote: I actually thought he was a pretty good one. I was never for or against him. I did dislike a few things but that is with anyone, no one is perfect. I think the main issue I have with the health care is making people have it*1. I like that it is available to everyone and I think it does good*2 but it shouldn't hurt you to not have it. People can decide to not own a car therefore not need car insurance but they can't be an adult and make decisions about their own health?
My bolds. The problem being that short of having bipartisan support for something more ambitious like single payer, the only way you get #2 is with #1.
(January 11, 2017 at 2:01 pm)Opoponax Wrote: Acknowledging Obama did a pretty good job, particularly considering what he had to deal with when he came into office, would be admitting not just that Obama did a good job, but also admitting that the Republican administrating (Bush/Cheney) had done a really bad job.
That ain't gonna happen. Ever.
But also, tens of millions of Americans are fucking idiots. They bought the Swift Boat thing about Kerry. That is, that Kerry, who was by any account a war hero who saved two soldiers' lives while also killing several enemy in the process, was actually the coward, while Dubbya, who never went to Vietnam and was AWOL for a year, was the hero.
It was a thing so ridiculous that most of us wouldn't even think of the idea of trying to convince people of such horse shit. But Republicans know how stupid their supporters are and it worked. Considering that, it's no wonder so many GOP voters believe anything about Obama, no matter how inaccurate or farfetched. GOP operatives now know they can say anything and it'll be believed to a great enough degree to make allow them to win elections.
You just cannot fucking fight that.
Chief republican strategy for continuing to serve the good of the 1%: keep the general population poor, ignorant and gullible enough to manipulate through lies promulgated by the faux news organizations which they've bought and warped.
(January 11, 2017 at 2:09 pm)Crunchy Wrote: Personally, I don't support systems like Obamacare either. Universal health care is the only way to go and the most efficient method is single payer. There are other creative solutions out there as in Singapore so I would not be closed to hearing any other proposals as long as they cover every single citizen.
Tell it brother. If only we didn't live in a moneyocracy in which the dollars of rich determine policy.
