(February 9, 2017 at 9:26 pm)Mirek-Polska Wrote:(February 9, 2017 at 9:20 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: As someone who has worked in A&Es and other facilities, and have sat with people while they were dying, I can tell you that neither I, nor any colleagues I have worked with have ever encountered such a phenomenon.
It's easy, even for someone who has never encountered it before, to know when someone has died. Yes, there are cases of mistakes being made, but usually death is plain. I would put this down to a dream or, perhaps, wishful thinking. There is no medical or scientific evidence that I'm aware of to back up such "visions".
To the other, I can't say. I have experienced such a thing personally before (last year when my favourite cousin died). I can't explain it but I won't accept that it has a supernatural origin without support for that claim.
Even if it is supernatural, that doesn't prove any particular god or religion.
"Even if it is supernatural, that doesn't prove any particular god or religion."
If you found out that we did in fact have a soul, or that these phenomenons were somehow true, would you still dismiss NDEs?
Certainly 99% of them.
For those who use the argument of the "dead" person floating above their bodies and "seeing" things they couldn't possibly have seen/heard I will point out that while we consciously see and note many things, we unconsciously see and absorb many more.
There was a case (I'll see if I can find it) where during a "past life regression" someone spoke in great detail of life aboard an old ship and described being badly wounded by cannon fire and, finally, succumbing to the wounds. They used some VERY obscure naval terms that they should not have known - given their background - and even spoke in an accent they had, supposedly, never encountered before.
After much questioning and research, it was found that the person had read a book regarding old maritime battles, including the harrowing case of a sailor who was killed in a battle. The patient's subconscious mind absorbed the story and brought it back up when under hypnosis.
Dying to live, living to die.
