(February 15, 2017 at 11:18 pm)Khemikal Wrote:Yeah, I was probably responding to where I think you're going than to the thing you just quoted. My bad.(February 15, 2017 at 10:42 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Fine. Pull out your Qualiometer 3000, and demonstrate that a brain, or ANY other physical system, has qualia.I was under the impression that you didn't have much of an issue with the notion that our ability to experience has something to do with our brains. Whatever else it might have to do with, that thing is happening in our brains as well, eh? In any case, are you now doubting the existence of qualia? I thought that was accepted by both of us?
There's always doubt for me, at all levels of analysis. But let's say that for us, the brain is real (though we may not agree on what underlies it or any material thing), and that the nature of our experiences is clearly affected by brain function, and that observing brain function can tell us something about what somebody might be experiencing. I can't experience what it's like to view a mouse with sonar, for example, because I'm not a bat, and we can look at differences in bat an human brains to see what that processing might look like.
But with regard to psychogony, I wouldn't say the brain allows for mind, exactly. Does an ocean cause waves, because it has waves on it? No: tidal motions, winds and so on create the waves. And even the capacity of waves has nothing to do specifically with the ocean, but with properties of water-- not even water, but of the QM particles which do their little dance with energy. So saying we only see waves on oceans doesn't really mean much. Waves are really something intrinsic to the universe-- how energy transmits through materials. Wave-ogony is not explained by oceans, or anything oceans do.
