Debate: God Exists

[downbeatplumb]

[quote='downbeatplumb' pid='1515794' dateline='1487959597']
Let me use your analogy of the flat earther back at you.

If you were honest you would know despite the long standing tradition of usng this argument to describe a Christian you couldn't in all fairness.

Your next sentence is the reason why:

The belief in a flat earth is a belief held by people despite there being ample evidence to discredit it.

[quote='Drich' pid='1515898' dateline='1487969614']

So let me clairify with a simple question. How can you prove something does not exist, when at best all you can demonstrate is that you are not in the presence of said object or person.

Easy.
If something is presented as evidence for something and that is shown not to be the case it is evidence against that something.

Every aspect of the "evidence" for god has been found to be wrong in fact the whole basis of its supposed existence the supernatural is as far as I can tell, not a thing

Every argument put forward for god has had to be revised in the face of evidence to the contrary, to the point that now god can only dwell in realms out side of scientific discovery

Not much on following simple instruction are ya? If this is the case best you stay away from IKEA.

Arguments for God are not Arguments of God. They are arguments that His instructions work. Truly what vetting process is needed other than to be face to face with God?

No they aren't they are how people delude themselves into believing absurdities.

I find when things are supposedly in the place you cant look their very existence becomes unlikely.

I find people who have claimed to look and found nothing, and refuse to do anything further have a "phone it in" experience of looking. (Meaning they have no real experience looking beyond their flat piece of earth they are standing on.

So you think we should look until we find it!

Not how this works bud.

I don't believe because its a silly idea. Its up to you to convince me otherwise.

People who go looking for spirituality will find something because they are predisposed to believe nonsense.
When I met my wife she was an evangelical Christian, but she has now dumped that for the "deeper truth" of spiritualism.

Given that the idea of god seems to me childishly stupid to begin with.

Lots of ideas seem stupid to me.
But god is one that belongs in the childhood of our species.
Time to move on from the oversimplified view of the universe that religions sell me thinks.

very top shelf of you old sport here here!
_or should I say a simple mind moves to dismiss and or trivialize what it can't easily reconcile. (so as to not appear stupid or foolish)

it because you have limited your think to a very small box of currently feesible possibilities. which is why I mock you as an earth is flat-er. Because you literally don't have the ablity to think outside of what you can currently vet.

Religions have had thousands of years to come up with something convincing and have failed to produce anything of substance, not one thing that I can look at and even be slightly swayed by.

then define 'open mind' because clearly you and I are talking about completely different things!
You have admittly mocked and openly scorned anything outside you personal world view. Like hopping to the moon. Seriously at a point between the earth and the moon given a stable platform and a suit able to sustain your months long journey along with some very good math, you could quite literally make a single hop and collide with the moon.

But tht's not what you were saying specifically right?

THAT'S MY POINT!

A closed mind only look at a problem or situation from a singular direction and is not open to anything else.

An open mind looks to establish several different angles to a given problem. You openly mocked a hop to the moon, I can show you how/where it is theoretically possible. Now putting down what you meant, can you see that your mocking is a direct result on only being able to view 'hopping to the moon' one single way? which means from your singular view point you closed off all other possibilities as being impossible, even if they were possible?

That sport is what makes you closed minded. That is why I keep calling an earth is flat-er. Because you are not willing to look beyond what you think you know.

I say I have an open mind because I am willing to admit that with compelling evidence my current opinion could be changed.
The fact that you do not have compelling evidence is not a sign of my closed mind but of your inability to prove your point.

You do know that flat earthers tend to be religious don't you?

So your attempted insult fails at every level.

I fail to see why people worship god.

I worship God because I love God.

I find that sad.

If there was a god. ( I find this extremely unlikely)
Then it would just be a fact.

did they stop teaching English over there? do you not understand the difference between a person and thing?

Well a person or god is also a "thing" but that's beside my point.
A fact is a "thing" Henry the eighth was king of England is a fact a thing that happened.
If there was a god that did all the unlikely things that is proposed for it then that would also be a fact and a thing that happened.

Its like explaining something to a toddler

I don't get the mindset of people who need to prostrate themselves to things like that.

Well it's only once a year, and men's health and awareness is an important thing. You want to catch potential problem early as their will always be more options and time to deal with whatever may come

Ok so when I said Prostrate you thought I said Prostate because you are an idiot.

pros·trate  (prŏs′trāt′)
tr.v. pros·trat·ed, pros·trat·ing, pros·trates
1. To put or throw flat with the face down, as in submission or adoration: "He did not simply sit and meditate, he also knelt down, sometimes even prostrated himself" (Iris Murdoch).
2. To cause to lie flat: The wind prostrated the young trees.
3. To reduce to extreme weakness or incapacitation; overcome: an illness that prostrated an entire family; a nation that was prostrated by years of civil war.
adj.
1. Lying face down, as in submission or adoration.
2. Lying flat or at full length.
3. Reduced to extreme weakness or incapacitation; overcome.
4. Botany Growing flat along the ground.