The rapture is finally here again!

[Chapabel]

Actually, what he said was

Well, the non-Christian or secular evidence for his existence is scant and in most cases has been shown to have been manipulated by the good ole church.

You should strive to quote accurately, Chap.


A single, early to mid first-century report by a Greco-Roman-Jewish source which mentioned anything remotely resembling your boy would be enough for me to accept that there was at least some guy claiming to be god.
But you don't have that. Even a report of a rumor of a dead criminal coming back from the dead would do it...but alas, no luck.

What you do have is either a) the ramblings of believers....and every religion has that and I'm sure you would be the first to claim that all other religions are full of shit, too; or b) forgeries by later xtian writers seeking to make up for the glaring lack of reference to your boy in the earlier histories.

In either case, you are in deep trouble in this debate.
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What about the writings of Cornelius Tactitus? He was neither a Jew nor a Christian. Also, lets not forget Pliny the Younger, Lucian, Mara Bar-Serapion, Thallus, and Suetonius. So we are to assume that ALL secular writings that mention Jesus have been " manipulated " by the church? Right...