Is there free will in heaven?

[Mystic]

End of the road. But, since you like this sort of question. How do you know I will become something different? What gives your claims to my personal growth or tendencies more weight than my own? I probably know myself a little better than you or any christian knows me, agreed?

I don't know what you will be after death. I don't even know how will I be in ten years. From the Christian perspective, you and I will be in hell, and won't have transformed to a higher existence, rather we will be in pain for not having accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.

This topic as I understand it, is discussing whether free-will is compatable with heaven from a christian perspective. As I said losing desire to do certain things like evil things, to me, doesn't mean you lost free-will. I already argued why, and haven't seen any counter point as of yet.

Heaven.

I don't understand what your on about there then. Confused.

What does any of this have to do with an afterlife, and why are we even assuming that the afterlife will be a continuation of our earthly lives, or that there is an afterlife to begin with? Wishful thinking and anthropomorphism.

Again, we are discussing the christian perspective, whehter free-will is comptabible with that. I discussed changing as kids to show losing desires as kids, doesn't mean we no longer the same person, and also that there is nothing wrong with changing and outgrowing desires. In Christian heaven, people are suppose to be in a higher state in which they take pleasure in spirituality more then other things.
Also I don't know for sure if their doctrine teaches there will be no sex in heaven, but I don't see how losing that desiring would mean we are no longer our whom we are or no longer have free-will. Again, we changed since we were tolders, and we are still the same person.

Indeed, and apparently it isn't, until someone can offer up an even remotely convincing argument (see how my standards have fallen, I don't even give a shit anymore if whatever someone is arguing for is true, I just want the argument to have some weight. That's what happens after seeing so many shitty arguments).

The bad argument I've seen is that if we don't have bad desires anymore we don't have free-will. Anyways, people here have a confirmation bias against religion, so any argument against a religious doctrine , they will be for, and any counter argument, no matter how logical, they will argue against. I think Salt made good arguments, and people didn't really refute anything she said.

Good question. Why can't people be satisfied with the things they have or have had. Why do we invent a "better life" for ourselves after death? Whether or not I like legos has nothing to do with a "higher state". Case in point, legos are flat out awesome. You're fishing with ambiguous words to defend a poorly thought out and not so well defined concept. By the by, the sorts of toys that children enjoy, and why, and for how long they will enjoy them is pretty well understood, and it has nothing to do with "higher states of being" or anything at all that would translate to the afterlife, or any heaven)

The point is if you stop liking certain things, it doesn't mean you lost your identity. It's the same with losing some earthly desires, it doesnt mean you lose your identity. From the Christian perspective, we will become ultra spiritual, so we will be different, and take pleasure more in glory of God and glorifying and pleasing him. This is not my perspective, I'm just saying I don't see how we either lose free-will or identity if we lose certain desires (like desire to do evil).

Oh no? Any time someone makes or defends a claim that is such obvious bullshit I'm going to let them finish imagining whatever gives them the warm fuzzies and say "That's all well and good, but is any of this factually accurate?" Otherwise we're having a discussion entirely in platitudes, which is frankly infuriating. Perhaps you've ignored the nagging possibility that this thread was intended as a device to expose the problems of the concept of free will and heaven, and how they relate to each other. In other words, a question that literally begs for people to offer up idiocy to be torn down.

Well no the topic is not about whether a heaven or soul exists, but it's about whether free-will is comptabible with a christian view of heaven. I don't see how it isn't. I don't see how anyone has shown it isn't.