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In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
(September 11, 2018 at 1:00 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(September 10, 2018 at 11:47 am)Drich Wrote: here's the thing sport.. CFC... are heavier than air, much. In Fact if there is a leak in a container it can stay indefinitely in an open air container if the material is not blown out or the container not tipped over.

Ozone... is 15 to 30Km high

it was said when we first were made to take our freon tests it would take 75 years to drop the levels low enough to effect the ozone layer. why? because it was supposedly the chlorine which broke apart from the molecule chain which caused atmospheric saturation takes a very long time to decay in the open air. so we should technically be getting worse/hole bigger for the next 50 years.

yet the hole is gone.

Which makes some in 'science' say we have no idea why the hole is or as there and why it is seal. but if the hole is seal then there is no way for the CFC's to split if less time cause the reduced saturation let alone regeneration of the O3 layer. This is not chemically possible.

A more sensible theory has to do with solar winds.. when the sun's output is very high it bombards the earth with actual particles of solar energy which could indeed break down O3 into O2 or just O (o3 being ozone into just oxygen) but you can't tax the sun and duponte (the makers of cfc refrigerant) isn't gong to pay the government billions to make people buy the 'new stuff' because the cfc they were making patent ran out...

Oh, guess what else! the Chfc/HFC (the stuff we converted to in the 90s to save us from the CFC of the 60 70 and 80) you know the stuff we used to replaced the cfc that ate a hole in the ozone???, That 'new stuff of the 1990s patents are running out, and guess what is next on the government chopping block for bad refrigerants! YES the SAME Chfc and HFC's that saved us from the ozone hole, are now global warming/climate change contributors so we have to stop using them Just as Duponts patents and licenses agreements are expiring! and guess who use has a newer replacement?!?! That right DUPONTE!!!! Dupont's new replacement which will be good for 20+ years until those patent run out are here to save us from our own.....  It just cost 10x as much!!! plus the pressures are crazy/more repair bills and home a/c system change out time cut in 1/2!! plus it is crazy toxic and some said highly flammable as it contains a high amount of natural gas.

And here are the non-mad facts.
https://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/

Quote:Ozone facts
What is ozone?
Ozone is a colorless gas. Chemically, ozone is very active; it reacts readily with a great many other substances. Near the Earth’s surface, those reactions cause rubber to crack, hurt plant life, and damage people’s lung tissues. But ozone also absorbs harmful components of sunlight, known as “ultraviolet B”, or “UV-B”. High above the surface, above even the weather systems, a tenuous layer of ozone gas absorbs UV-B, protecting living things below.
What is a Dobson Unit?
The Dobson Unit (DU) is the unit of measure for total ozone. If you were to take all the ozone in a column of air stretching from the surface of the earth to space, and bring all that ozone to standard temperature (0 °Celsius) and pressure (1013.25 millibars, or one atmosphere, or “atm”), the column would be about 0.3 centimeters thick. Thus, the total ozone would be 0.3 atm-cm. To make the units easier to work with, the “Dobson Unit” is defined to be 0.001 atm-cm. Our 0.3 atm-cm would be 300 DU.
What is the ozone hole?
Each year for the past few decades during the Southern Hemisphere spring, chemical reactions involving chlorine and bromine cause ozone in the southern polar region to be destroyed rapidly and severely. This depleted region is known as the “ozone hole”. The area of the ozone hole is determined from a map of total column ozone. It is calculated from the area on the Earth that is enclosed by a line with a constant value of 220 Dobson Units. The value of 220 Dobson Units is chosen since total ozone values of less than 220 Dobson Units were not found in the historic observations over Antarctica prior to 1979. Also, from direct measurements over Antarctica, a column ozone level of less than 220 Dobson Units is a result of the ozone loss from chlorine and bromine compounds.
the zone facts do not change what i said... I came at this subject from 2 angels. you are answering angel one with info addressed to angel two. maybe try again.

Meaning I am not doubting the scientific findings.. I am just dumbing it down so you understand it and can see how fortuniate we are that dupont spent millions of dollars to provide you with allof these numbers inorder to out law their own product which would bring western civilazation to it's knees (no refrigeration/no cities) but we were double fortunate that duponte also made a replacement that did not make holes in the ozone. It just cost 10times more. so they use 'science' to compell everyone to but the new stuff for 25 years..

NOW they are doing the very same thing with the stuff that saved us from the ozone hole.. now the stuff that saved us is more dangerous to global warming than anything man has ever done. but thankfully we do not have to abandon our cities because duponte has newer stuff.. and it only cost 10x more than the last new stuff.

Get it???

Dupont patents ran out on the first refrigerant they put out, so they paid millions to various scientist to find and force the governments of the world to out law .99cents a lb refrigerant, and make everyone buy 10.00 to 14.00 a lb refrigerant. and everything was good till this refrigerant patents ran out.. now these are being billed as being more dangerous than the original cfc based stuff. Now the replacement gas costs between 100 and 125 dollars a pound.

bottom line?

I am showing 'science' is a whore.

This is no different than big tobacco paying doctors to say smoking was good for you in the 1950s

This again is another leap of faith that the science you believe in is not being slanted because some big corporate monster is not paing them to push you towards a product.

When you put your faith in the scientific model then you are most likely to be manipulated by anyone smart enough to package information in that same model. most of you will accept it no questions asked because the info makes all the right check points.. Me telling you about duponte is proof/an example of a big corporation spending millions in the scientific community to make trillions in return, and all the while give you the warm and fuzzies
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists. - by Drich - September 10, 2018 at 12:59 pm
RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists. - by Drich - September 10, 2018 at 12:52 pm
RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists. - by Drich - September 10, 2018 at 11:37 am
RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists. - by Drich - September 14, 2018 at 10:59 am
RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists. - by Drich - September 10, 2018 at 11:47 am
RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists. - by Drich - September 12, 2018 at 1:48 pm
RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists. - by Drich - September 11, 2018 at 11:47 am

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