(June 17, 2011 at 10:40 pm)Ryft Wrote: Jesus ... is not separate from himself. (That would be nonsensical.)
Agreed and yet this is the claim of Trinitarianism. One God in three separate persons.
Would you like some Bible verses where Jesus is a separate being from Yahweh? The quote "not my will but thy will be done" leaps to mind.
Quote:Yes, I suppose the Bible would be rather unclear on this (and practically all teachings) if you segregated a part from the whole. Those who need to do that in order to make their point can knock themselves out. It is pretty revealing.
And I suppose the point that the Synoptic Gospels were written first and the advanced theology of John came later is lost on you? Or you pretend it is lost on you?
If the Holy Spirit were inspiring the authors all along and/or the authors were reliable eye-witnesses, one would think that such an important detail would be nailed down from the earliest writings. On the other hand, if Christology evolved over time to resolve the conundrum of reconciling strict Jewish monotheism with the idea of an intercessor god, we might expect to see this evolution by comparing the early writings with the later ones.
Quote:DeistPaladin Wrote:... aside from your apparent circular reasoning that the creeds confirm the creeds ...
Except I never did that. Again, quite revealing.
Do tell. Feel free to clarify what you were saying then.
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
