'choosing' thoughts.

[athoughtfulman]

I personally don't believe in free will, but I think no one can offer proof for either side of the argument.

Nor do I but even if it's all a sham, it's a helluva ride ain't it?

Kyu

Oh I love it this way. Couldn't ask for a better option.

Everything is made of free will, but sometime free will can be corrupted. Like brainwashing or a mental sickness.

Otherwise is your thoughts and the things you do made of free will. Thoughts are not chosen by other thoughts, you can't think what you should think. Becuase if you chose your thoughts by other thoughts then that thought would be chosen by another thought, and so on.

The brain is very complex and work in a very fast pase. Toughts was there before language. Often do you not think in words, unless it's thinking about what you should buy in a store or solving a math problem or something. It's hard to explain exactly how a thought is born, it's seem as it just happens. But someone who have researched in that area will probably have some explanation.

Thoughts is not destined to be happen. I don't believe in that crap about destiny, which is more or less a substitut for a god that is controlling everything. Everything can be calculated and everything have diffrent chance to happen. That's why a dice always shows every number an equaly amount of time.

Corrupted? But how? Free will either exists or it doesn't. Either we choose or we don't. There's no middle ground on a subject like this.

No one said that they are destined. Indeed, if we follow it like some equation, it seems like it. But who's to say that the equation runs back to the beginning of time? What if this long string of happenings which led to thoughts was broken by different occurrences? Of course, it would still be destiny in the truest sense of the word.

Just because it seems like this means a 'god' is controlling everything doesn't mean it isn't true. We believe because of evidence, not because of what something means.

Roll a dice 6 times and it generally wont show every number equal amounts. Each time you roll a dice, it's a once in six chance of landing on one. And the more times you roll, the more even the averages get. But we aren't the ones rolling the dice - we are one of the sides. So as much probability as there is where a dice, we don't have that. Whatever set that dice into motion wasn't us, or at least I believe. We will always feel free; we will always feel like our lives are going where we choose to make them go. But despite that, logic does not make sense to me if I assume free will.

Perhaps free agency within the certain direction the 'dice' has assigned to me. Free, in one sense of the word, but not free to do anything.

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You really dont make sence.

What do you base you theory on that we don't have free will and that we don't chose our thoughts? Do you even have evidence to support it, have you asked someone who have done research or know alot about the brain and our thougths?

No one knows, that's the thing. It's intriguing. Despite Wikipedia making it's best efforts, I'm afraid it doesn't know either. Scientists dont know either.

But think about it Giff, think about your thoughts. Then think about why they happen. Doesn't it make sense that something made you think something? You thought about getting lunch because you were hungry. You were hungry because you didn't eat breakfast. You didn't eat breakfast... so on. It's a logical conclusion to come to. It's not conclusive and I sincerely hope scientists can give me evidence that I am indeed free, but until that I day, I will not believe in free will and I will keep living like I am free