(October 16, 2011 at 9:24 pm)mastertrell Wrote: Please show me my error by making a simple complete model of how the universe can come into being from absolute nothing. That's not shifting the burden that's called called waiting for a rebutal.
I have certainly never said the universe came into being from nothing, nor have I ever insinuated as such even taking into account subjective semantics.
I have stated that there is no first cause and causality is unproven. If there is a god, then there was never nothing. If there is no god, then there still was never nothing.
A short elaboration on my particular take:
Time does not exist except within our linear perspective. All that is, was, or will ever be is now. There is no beginning, there is no end, it just is. Though we observe causality and passage of time, they are but illusions. Right up there with free will, mirages and hallucinations. And if you are interested in the next level, each of us are our own realities and the reality of all existence is nothing more than our awareness within our own minds.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy