(April 29, 2015 at 10:38 am)Tonus Wrote:Riketto Wrote:You just did a step forward Ton by not claiming things without having solid evidence.I just want to point out that you can't just use "I believe" as some sort of cover for every crackpot idea that comes to mind, and then use it as a way to avoid having to support that crackpot idea. It is not a "step forward." It's just another version of "I cannot prove that it IS, but you cannot prove that it ISN'T." At some point you have to prove SOMETHING, since you're the one promoting the crackpot ideas.
Riketto Wrote:The reason why i say that can not be proven is because i am dealing with people that only believe in a physical-mental way.This is more of the same. You want to dismiss the best option for learning in order to promote an option that you admit doesn't work. Then you try to cloak it in mysticism and apply the same "just because we can't detect it doesn't mean it's not there" nonsense.
I have little interest in the things you cannot detect yet believe to be real. The fact that you don't understand how absurd that approach is says a lot about where humanity stands today, and it's not very good. Thankfully we're making progress, but there are still too many people who won't consider such an idea critically and realize that it's the ramblings of the insane.
It can really be a very knotty question to deal with.
On one hand i feel to be real but because it is something that can not be proved in a physical-mental way
i have no other choice than to say i believe considering that i am talking to people who only understand something
if they can see it in a physical-mental way.
Why should be a.......crackpot idea .....when the feeling is so strong?
Internal feelings are not easily expressed.
Even to prove that you are in love with someone it is very hard to express to other people.
If we then go up and up in the scale of spiritual love then is a lot more difficult.
Does it means that it is not real just because it can not be express externally?
You never thought about it Ton, did you?