(June 4, 2015 at 8:28 am)Little Rik Wrote: ]Sorry Ton but the researchers that THINK along those lines have NEVER came up with solid evidence. They don't really know what happen after you die whether the consciousness die when your body die or live on waiting to get into a new body in order to continue his journey towards the goal of life."Solid" evidence of something that cannot be proven? No. However, since we have learned that the mind is a function of the brain, it makes sense that the mind would die with the brain. To date, there is not a shred of evidence that the mind survives the death of the brain, so that assumption seems reasonable until such time as someone shows otherwise. Whoever manages to prove that the mind survives the death of the body will get more than just a bit of gold; you'd be looking at a Nobel Prize (maybe more than one) and the gratitude of the world for discovering a whole new dimension of existence.
You show me one solid evidence that the consciousness die when the body die and i will cover you in solid 24 carat gold.
On the other hand, if all you have is claims and "you can't prove otherwise" then you're really not accomplishing anything. The number of claims that we can make under that umbrella is limitless, which makes them nothing special.
(June 4, 2015 at 8:28 am)Little Rik Wrote: When i was a teen and i try LSD (never again after that) i thought i was in paradise. You can experience so many different state of consciousness by using drugs but here in the NDEs situations we are talking about experiences caused by NATURAL means.The book is referring to the experience of Air Force pilots undergoing testing at high G-forces. Many of them passed out, and in later interviews described all of the experiences of an NDE, right down to seeing themselves from the outside and seeing bright lights and meeting loved ones, and so on. They didn't need drugs, they simply needed to place the brain in a situation where it was forced to try and make sense of a chaotic environment. The thing is, they were not trying to do any sort of research into NDEs; they discovered this while researching the effect of high G-forces on prospective pilots. But it gives a very strong impression of what the brain is doing when someone is near death, and it doesn't appear to have anything to do with spirit or a separate consciousness.
I haven't read the book you mention so i don't know what is all about but i doubt that those experiences can be compared to the real natural experiences.
It is very easy to mix the real with the artificially made.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
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