(June 6, 2015 at 11:27 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(June 6, 2015 at 7:20 am)Little Rik Wrote: You may think that brain and mind are one but it is only the fact that they are
INSEPARABLY connected (until death come) that they look like one.
Quote:It's a fact, is it? What is your evidence that it is a fact?
Thousand of NDEs tell us that when the brain is off the consciousness mind live on without it.
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...s_main.htm
(June 6, 2015 at 7:20 am)Little Rik Wrote: Wait a minute.
First you argue that the matter CAN organize movements by itself and then you clearly say that it is because ....... The mind of a worm, simulated, and put inside a lego robot....
Where is the logic?
Quote:The mind inside the Lego robot is made of nothing but matter. Do you really need me to point this out to you? You claimed that matter couldn't move itself unless it was programmed to do so. The Lego robot wasn't programmed to move. All its movements are caused by a completely material brain, just as in a real worm. There is no separate mind or consciousness connected to the robot brain -- it's all matter. There is no programming and no immaterial mind there.
If that mind is not a mind what the hell it is?
(June 5, 2015 at 9:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: Consciousness is something abstract while the vehicle is something made of matter.
Have you ever seen the matter from moving by itself?
Yes, I have. And now, so have you.
Eh, are you speaking for me?
Yog, better you read properly what is written in that link.
It say...........All it has is a network of connections mimicking those in the brain of a worm.
What this means?
It means that they mimic a REACTION from the worm initial action.
In other words it originate from the worm consciousness and therefore
the worm consciousness way of mimicking is transferred into some medium or vehicle.
Vehicle plus driver make the vehicle move so where is the big deal?
If you want to bring real evidence that the matter can do something by itself you shouldn't introduce in the matter anything
that mimic somebody action nor you should put some sort of energy into that vehicle or matter.