(June 13, 2015 at 9:08 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(June 13, 2015 at 8:24 am)Little Rik Wrote: We were talking about what make sense and what does not.
When you are at a crossroad and you are not 100% sure which
road is better to take you got to work out which one make more sense
don't you Yog?
Atheism in general believe that there is only one life therefore we got the
consciousness that we have thanks to previous generation while those believers
that think that consciousness come from our own effort which we made also in previous lives
think otherwise.
So the point i want to make is..........does make more sense mine theory or yours?
If your theory make more sense then we got to believe that something is showered upon us
like the consciousness that we got for free.
Here we should really see if in this physical universe anything is ever given to us for free.
Do you know anyone who ever got anything for free except maybe some lollies from a pedophile?
But even in that case the bastard expect something from you so i just can't find anything that come for free
except the atheistic idea that we got this consciousness for free.
To summarize where is the logic in the atheist believe?
And if there is no logic then is possible to deduce that as this pillar of atheism collapse then also all the rest will collapse.
That is the stupidest argument that I have ever heard.
And it's simply wrong. Sunlight from our sun has been powering evolution throughout the history of our planet and it's all free.
The earth has been benefiting from this free gift 24/7 for 4.5 billion years.
It powers the plants in our oceans and the plants on land, these feed herbivores, which in turn feed omnivores and carnivores.
It is this bountiful supply of free energy which enabled the evolution of complex life forms like us.
So, yes, as a matter of fact, our evolution did come for free.
Wikipedia | Sun Wrote:Sunlight is Earth's primary source of energy.
The sun is the result from previous forms of material lives.
One day it will die like our material-physical body.
You gave the life to your kids and your kids will give life to their own kids.
What this has got to do with our own consciousness?
You are talking about material-physical life not consciousness life.
Have you got any evidence that you gave your kids the consciousness that they got?
You are confusing the matter with the consciousness yog.
First you have to prove that the consciousness is the product of the brain which you can't.
Suppose that you can then you can say that matter generate consciousness therefore your kids
got something for free.
Suppose instead that the matter (brain included) is the product of the consciousness.
In this case nothing come for free because the consciousness come from efforts.
In this case we also can say that the heat and the light of the sun come to us as the result of our own efforts
because our consciousness reach the stage that everything in this universe is part and parcel of the same entity.
Here there is no separation between you the sun and everything that exist.
The sun is you and you are the sun so where is the present?
This is pure philosophy Yog but i doubt you can go along these lines as far as you believe that the consciousness is
the product of the brain.
Thanks anyway for your failed effort.