Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?

[Tonus]

Show me the book where it say the opposite.

It's called a dictionary.

By the way does your life and thinking rely all the time on what is written in the books or you build up some sort of intuitive consciousness where you draw up conclusions?

There are numerous ways to learn. One of the most efficient and effective is by reading. One of the least effective is by trying to "build up some sort of intuitive consciousness where you draw up conclusions."

So you came to the conclusion that the real knowledge is external like in books.

It's a pretty obvious conclusion to come to.

I got bad news for you Ton.
So far no one has ever find permanent peace of mind and happiness in an external way.

To date, no one has ever found permanent peace of mind and happiness, period. Those are transitory states, which we continually work to reach and maintain.

Cmon Ton tell me what is the difference between mind and consciousness or tell me that there is no difference if you like.

I already have. The mind is a function of the brain. Consciousness refers to a state of awareness. Why are you asking me these questions again and again? You do know that there are dictionaries online, right? Oh, I almost forgot... you look within for these things. It's no wonder you're so ignorant.

Well, well Ton, it seems that these experts in physical-mental science have also a big understanding about what is not physical.

That's what research and experimentation does. It works far better than looking within.

Once again you rely on what the researchers say.
Unfortunately these researchers are not qualified to understand the spiritual aspect of the human being.

As I said before, they are not studying "the spiritual aspect of the human being." And since you have claimed that this is something that science cannot possibly study, it should come as no surprise. What apparently is coming as a surprise to you is that the researchers are learning all about the mind and the brain and NDEs without wasting any time on "intuitive" or "spiritual" science. Let me know when the intuitional and spiritual researchers reach a consensus on their particular fields and publish their ground-breaking work.

If you don't pay enough attention is not my fault.
I do and i find a common understanding among most the NDEs.

Made-up nonsense is not a common understanding. And it's not what you get from paying attention. It's what you get from reaching your conclusion before you search for answers and then 'looking within' instead of learning from people who actually did the research.

The mind is not only the external mind or what we can perceive normally.
We can go deeper and deeper until we reach the super conscious mind

Once again, when the INternational Association of iNuitional sciEntists (INANE) publish their ground-breaking work on the super conscious mind, you make sure and let us know. Until then, we know about the conscious and subconscious parts of the mind and are learning how they work.

They surely do, that is why by studying something physical they are not in a position to understand spirituality which is outside the physicality.

That's because the spiritual aspect of it does not exist. But again, you and your buddies are free to publish your findings and shock the world.

Ton, Ton what i am going to do with you?
First you don't believe me.
Then after i show you the evidence you try to mess up the whole argument with the usual delusion on my part.

I don't believe you because you state nonsense and your "evidence" is just additional nonsensical claims. Do you even understand what "evidence" means? Have you EVER opened up a dictionary, or are you 'looking within' for your definitions? I don't believe you because you're unreal.

Gee, that is terrible Ton.
Studying medicine years and years and not knowing whether the bloke is alive or dead.

Maybe they need to study a bit harder. Not my problem. But if a doctor says you are dead and you are not, then it doesn't take a university director to recognize that you made a mistake. How is this stuff difficult for you to comprehend?

You believe what is written in books but your books relate only to physical evidence.

And you keep pretending that there is some spiritual evidence but you admit no one can produce it or detect it or study it. So I'll go right on trusting the people who actually can show their work instead of the people who admit that they have nothing but claims that they cannot back up.

Maybe your guessing may turn correct but the chances are very very slim.

Sure.

Are you prepared to start a philosophy thread with me?

You... really don't understand a word that I'm saying, do you?

You seem not to pay much attention Ton.
I knock down those who try to say that man is omnivore.
I challenge the so called expert in philosophy.

No, really. You have absolutely no idea what I was referring to, do you? You are truly bizarre, rik,

So where is your evidence that i keep myself ignorant?

Well, just in this most recent exchange you have ridiculed book-learning because you prefer to turn within. Which is a pretty effective way of being ignorant. In other words, YOU are the evidence that you keep yourself ignorant. And you do so proudly, which is just crazy. But whatever floats your boat.

Actually my life show that i keep a balance among body-mind and spirit.
Do you Ton?

Yes. I'm the most balanced person of all time. Ever. In the history of this reality and the next. I'm, like... more balanced than is possible.