(July 14, 2015 at 9:23 am)Little Rik Wrote: PUT UP OR SHUT UP so please give examples that spirituality is not different from religions.Both rely on mysticism and woo and the certainty that there is more to the world than what we can detect physically, and that these things lead us to a greater meaning and purpose in life. Or to put it another way: there are a number of people here who claim to "believe in god and not religion" and they don't sound any different from the people who follow a religion. The only way you can tell them apart is that some of them insist that they aren't religious.
Little Rik Wrote:If you don't believe me that hardly 2% of total world population live a decent life i suggest you to do some researches.I notice that you keep changing your claims. First it was that science had claimed to eradicate malaria, then it was that malaria was the leading killer, then it was that the capitalist system is on the brink of collapse, then it was that 80% are "floating in the sewer" and 2% are doing well, and so on. I also notice that you never provide a single data point for any of your claims, yet you keep asking me to disprove your claims as if that is somehow my responsibility. I explained exactly how we are progressing through technology and science. It's such a straightforward argument that it's not in dispute. If you want to claim that science isn't doing enough to help the world, well... religion has had thousands of years, and so far it hasn't accomplished much, if 98% of the world is up to its collective throat in shit.
Little Rik Wrote:You are confusing staying afloat with progress.Sometimes I forget that you like to redefine words to suit your purposes, thus rendering any discussion moot. Thanks for reminding me. I did not forget that you also have a habit of restating points that were already addressed, as if repeating something wrong will somehow make it less wrong. Pro-tip: it doesn't. Making even dumber comments like "physical world there can not be any progress at all" just makes it clear that you need to step away from the adult table and go find a dictionary before you try to make any more replies.
Little Rik Wrote:Go in Africa, Asia and Latin America to find out whether these people live better than in the past.Splitting up my comment in order to try and make a point is dishonest, and doesn't address the point. As I stated, conditions all around the world are better than they were in the past, and the places that are lagging the most are the ones in the throes of religious and superstitious thinking. If you can't address the point, maybe it's better if you just ignore it. You should be embarrassed to try to erect such a clumsy strawman.
Please Ton try to think wisely before you come up with this non sense.
Little Rik Wrote:Before you come up with similar non sense explain what is the difference between religion and spirituality.See above. To people who don't have to prop up the confusing and contradictory house of cards that is religious and superstitious thinking, religion and spirituality and mysticism all work the same way: by insisting on the existence of a realm or realms that cannot be detected or proven except by methods that cannot be falsified and covered by rituals and habits and thought exercises that serve to reinforce such fallacious ideas.
I'd ask you to explain how they are different, but the truth is that you cannot do so without falling into a circular explanation. Feel free to try, though. It's not as if this thread hasn't been entertaining enough.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould