Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?

[Little Rik]

PUT UP OR SHUT UP so please give examples that spirituality is not different from religions.

Both rely on mysticism and woo and the certainty that there is more to the world than what we can detect physically, and that these things lead us to a greater meaning and purpose in life.  Or to put it another way: there are a number of people here who claim to "believe in god and not religion" and they don't sound any different from the people who follow a religion.  The only way you can tell them apart is that some of them insist that they aren't religious.

The believe that there is God and therefore a purpose in life is the only thing that spirituality and religions agree to.
All the rest is different.
Religions look outside while spirituality look inside to get to God.
Religions expect and pray for the daily bread from God while spirituality doesn't.
Religions (except Buddhism and Hinduism) believe in hell or permanent punishment while spirituality doesn't.
Most religions think that they are the only chosen one while spirituality believe that at the end everybody will get there.
There to God.
Most religions (except Buddhism and Hinduism) believe that if you go to paradise you will be the same Dick and Tom but never God
while spirituality believe that you will merge into the ocean of bliss and therefore merge in God and be God.
People who follow spirituality keep well away from meat eating while most religions don't really care what you eat.
I could continue on and on Tom as the differences are really huge.

If you don't believe me that hardly 2% of total world population live a decent life i suggest you to do some researches.

I notice that you keep changing your claims.  First it was that science had claimed to eradicate malaria, then it was that malaria was the leading killer, then it was that the capitalist system is on the brink of collapse, then it was that 80% are "floating in the sewer" and 2% are doing well, and so on.  I also notice that you never provide a single data point for any of your claims, yet you keep asking me to disprove your claims as if that is somehow my responsibility.  I explained exactly how we are progressing through technology and science.  It's such a straightforward argument that it's not in dispute.  If you want to claim that science isn't doing enough to help the world, well... religion has had thousands of years, and so far it hasn't accomplished much, if 98% of the world is up to its collective throat in shit.

1) Ton, i am NOT dispute the fact that science and technology advance all the time.
I am instead dispute that this advance is able to take humanity out the sewer.
Is this so difficult to understand?
As one challenge is solved a new one and more difficult one arise in a never ending show.
How the hell can there be any progress when you never get at a goal of life?
Just imagine a tour the France where the cyclists never get in Paris.
Just keep on pedaling and riding on and on and on until they die and never get there.
That is exactly what happen with human life materially, physically and mentally speaking.

2) Talking about malaria i read report such as this one below that is why i said what i said.

Statistics
Malaria is one of the most severe public health problems worldwide. It is a leading cause of death and disease in many developing countries, where young children and pregnant women are the groups most affected. According to the World Health Organization’s World Malaria Report 2013 and the Global Malaria Action Plan
http://www.cdc.gov/malaria/malaria_world...mpact.html

3) I did indeed show you that scientists studying malaria declared that their discoveries would put and end to malaria which it didn't happen.
You read the article Ton so please don't talk bullshit to me.

You are confusing staying afloat with progress.

Sometimes I forget that you like to redefine words to suit your purposes, thus rendering any discussion moot.  Thanks for reminding me.  I did not forget that you also have a habit of restating points that were already addressed, as if repeating something wrong will somehow make it less wrong.  Pro-tip: it doesn't. Making even dumber comments like "physical world there can not be any progress at all" just makes it clear that you need to step away from the adult table and go find a dictionary before you try to make any more replies.

If i am restating points is because you tend to come up with the same bull time and time again.
Just one example.
After you did not believe that science declare malaria eradicate and then proven wrong i did show you a statement that scientists just said that.
This is clear evidence.
Instead to accept the obvious you keep on coming back again and again that i am talking crap so again and again i have to restate the same point.
Is this my fault or yours? 

Go in Africa, Asia and Latin America to find out whether these people live better than in the past.
Please Ton try to think wisely before you come up with this non sense.

Splitting up my comment in order to try and make a point is dishonest, and doesn't address the point.  As I stated, conditions all around the world are better than they were in the past, and the places that are lagging the most are the ones in the throes of religious and superstitious thinking.  If you can't address the point, maybe it's better if you just ignore it.  You should be embarrassed to try to erect such a clumsy strawman.

Wrong again Ton.
You can say that the conditions today are different from the past but that is where the judgement end.
To say that today are better than in the past is wrong.
In the past the fruits taste sweet, today they are almost tasteless.
In the past a man could have sex up in the old age, today at the age of 40-45 they need viagra to have sex.
In the past their bodies were strong so they could stand extreme conditions, today humans are weak.
We have the computer sure but that lead us to sit down instead of exercise our bodies.
We have cars but again we walk less and less and our bodies get weaker every day.
Can't you see Ton that for every single step forward there is a step backwards?
I just can't understand why you persist to believe in what doesn't exist in reality. 

Before you come up with similar non sense explain what is the difference between religion and spirituality.

See above.  To people who don't have to prop up the confusing and contradictory house of cards that is religious and superstitious thinking, religion and spirituality and mysticism all work the same way: by insisting on the existence of a realm or realms that cannot be detected or proven except by methods that cannot be falsified and covered by rituals and habits and thought exercises that serve to reinforce such fallacious ideas.

I'd ask you to explain how they are different, but the truth is that you cannot do so without falling into a circular explanation.  Feel free to try, though.  It's not as if this thread hasn't been entertaining enough.

You can say that God can not be proved to exist in a physical way and that is obvious.
How can the abstract can be felt by non abstract?
If we go along the same logic then we also could say that the mind doesn't exist because we can not
feel it with our physical senses but we know it exist because our consciousness tell us otherwise.
This is how the system works Ton.
It is our consciousness that tell us what is there and what is not there.
And it is a strong consciousness that is able to tell us what lie behind the physical reality.
But what can you do Ton if you never bother about extending and amplify your consciousness?