(July 15, 2015 at 8:58 am)Little Rik Wrote: The believe that there is God and therefore a purpose in life is the only thing that spirituality and religions agree to.The funny thing about this is that you follow this up by defining spirituality by its systems of belief. In other words, you define spirituality as a religion, while claiming it is different from religion. That's hysterical.
All the rest is different.
Little Rik Wrote:I am instead dispute that this advance is able to take humanity out the sewer.You'll have to define that in order for it to mean anything. As I already stated, we enjoy longer and healthier lives with far more leisure time than we ever had in the past, except for those societies that prefer to remain in the sewer.
Little Rik Wrote:As one challenge is solved a new one and more difficult one arise in a never ending show.Right. If we are facing new problems, then it means we have solved the old ones. The new problems are, in most cases, either a side-effect of that progress or a side-effect of backwards thinking that tries to reject progress.
Little Rik Wrote:2) Talking about malaria i read report such as this one below that is why i said what i said.Here is what you said, in post #1295:
Little Rik Wrote:Ages ago they say that they got rid of malaria.Scientists did NOT say that they got rid of malaria, and malaria is NOT the number 1 killer "globally speaking." You were wrong. Your sources did not say either of the things that you said. You either lack reading comprehension or are a dishonest person. You decide which.
After they failed again and again malaria is still the No1 killer globally speaking.
Little Rik Wrote:You read the article Ton so please don't talk bullshit to me.Don't project, it makes you look like more of a jerk or more of an idiot, depending on which choice you make above.
Little Rik Wrote:Instead to accept the obvious you keep on coming back again and again that i am talking crap so again and again i have to restate the same point.See above. I'm accusing you of talking crap because you are talking crap. Repeating the crap that you are saying doesn't make it smell any different. You were wrong on both points above and you've tried to deal with it by changing your claim. This is an internet forum, Rik: your words are still there for people to read.
Is this my fault or yours?
Little Rik Wrote:Can't you see Ton that for every single step forward there is a step backwards?I addressed this before: if our progress was one step forward for each step backwards, we would have gone extinct or remained in small nomadic tribes in a limited area of the world with very short lifespans. Claiming that we are not making progress because fruits don't taste the same or old men can't have sex is dumb and pointless.
It also brings up a different point: it seems as if your claim is that the world is in a shitty and horrible state, and that this somehow is evidence of the existence of god. Or perhaps that the state of the world makes you wish that there was a god. Both are poor arguments. Neither the concept of god as a screw-up nor your burning desire for a Deus Ex Machina to exist will cause a god to pop into existence.
Little Rik Wrote:You can say that God can not be proved to exist in a physical way and that is obvious.That's YOUR claim. I am just pointing out how flawed it is.
Little Rik Wrote:How can the abstract can be felt by non abstract?That is YOUR problem, not mine. I'm not the one claiming that god exists, YOU are. I'm not the one who thinks his imaginary friend (and only his, not anyone else's) is real, YOU are. YOU are saying that being impossible to detect is a feature of your god, and not a bug. So by all means, try to explain how your god is any different from any other fake character that people have invented.
Little Rik Wrote:If we go along the same logic then we also could say that the mind doesn't exist because we can notWe are mapping out the mind, which is just a function of the brain. Consciousness refers to a state of awareness; it is not just another word for "mind" or "soul." You'll never make progress if you cling to wrong ideas that you can't even define properly.
feel it with our physical senses but we know it exist because our consciousness tell us otherwise.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould