<![CDATA[Atheist Forums - All Forums]]> http://atheistforums.org/ Fri, 24 May 2013 04:06:09 +0000 MyBB <![CDATA[Zahi Hawass]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18958.html Fri, 24 May 2013 02:08:36 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18958.html
Egyptian antiquities are in danger and the Muslim Brotherhood government may have to bring Hawass back to save their stupid asses.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-ar...rals-1.jpg

But even Hawass can't bring back the tourists while Egypt is falling apart.]]>
Egyptian antiquities are in danger and the Muslim Brotherhood government may have to bring Hawass back to save their stupid asses.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-ar...rals-1.jpg

But even Hawass can't bring back the tourists while Egypt is falling apart.]]> <![CDATA[This Should Get Interesting....]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18957.html Fri, 24 May 2013 00:39:34 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18957.html
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2013/0...story.html

Quote:Boy Scouts approve plan to accept openly gay boys

And the xtians will lose their ever-loving minds!

Quote:The Assemblies of God, another conservative denomination, said the policy change ‘‘will lead to a mass exodus from the Boy Scout program.’’ It also warned that the change would make the BSA vulnerable to lawsuits seeking to end the ban on gay adults.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry also expressed dismay.

‘‘While I will always cherish my time as a Scout and the life lessons I learned, I am greatly disappointed with this decision,’’ he said.

Perhaps Perry will found a new organization more in keeping with his ideals?

[Image: hitler-youth-jpg.jpg]

Is Baldur Von Schirach still around? Well, he probably left a manual or something.]]>
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2013/0...story.html

Quote:Boy Scouts approve plan to accept openly gay boys

And the xtians will lose their ever-loving minds!

Quote:The Assemblies of God, another conservative denomination, said the policy change ‘‘will lead to a mass exodus from the Boy Scout program.’’ It also warned that the change would make the BSA vulnerable to lawsuits seeking to end the ban on gay adults.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry also expressed dismay.

‘‘While I will always cherish my time as a Scout and the life lessons I learned, I am greatly disappointed with this decision,’’ he said.

Perhaps Perry will found a new organization more in keeping with his ideals?

[Image: hitler-youth-jpg.jpg]

Is Baldur Von Schirach still around? Well, he probably left a manual or something.]]> <![CDATA[Lawmaker flips over atheist invocation.]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18955.html Thu, 23 May 2013 23:47:40 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18955.html http://www.examiner.com/article/arizona-...ator-angry

In other news, BOO AND FUCKING HOO.]]> http://www.examiner.com/article/arizona-...ator-angry

In other news, BOO AND FUCKING HOO.]]> <![CDATA[Why Islam is not a religion of peace.]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18954.html Thu, 23 May 2013 22:21:01 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18954.html [Image: 579404_525356947524088_141477008_n.jpg]]]> [Image: 579404_525356947524088_141477008_n.jpg]]]> <![CDATA[Pope Francis defends atheists]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18953.html Thu, 23 May 2013 22:01:03 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18953.html Quote:Atheists and other nonbelievers largely welcomed Wednesday's (May 22) remarks by Pope Francis that performing "good works" is not the exclusive domain of people of faith, but rather a place where they and atheists could and should meet.

In a private homily, Francis described doing good not as a matter of faith, but of "duty, it is an identity card that our Father has given to all of us, because he has made us in his image and likeness."

Then, referring to non-Catholics and nonbelievers, he said, "if we do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter: we need that so much. We must meet one another doing good."

Reaction among American nonbelievers ranged from mild surprise to warm welcome. Some say they see Francis' remarks as a sign that nonbelief - atheism, humanism and other forms of freethought - is being normalized, while others see recognition of what they say they have known all along: Having no faith does not mean having no morality.

"We are a community that is just trying to do good and live good lives, just like most communities are," said Greg Epstein, Harvard University's Humanist chaplain and author of "Good Without God." ''His statement is an acknowledgment of that. It is welcome and it is gratifying."

Epstein was struck by the contrast of Francis' remarks and Tuesday's broadcast of an interview by CNN's Wolf Blitzer of an Oklahoma tornado victim. When Blitzer asked the woman if she wanted to thank God for her family's survival, she replied she is an atheist.

"You have this small example of this soft-spoken young mother who is recovering from the tornado who by her presence, her quiet dignity, not only exemplified what the pope was saying, but overshadowed him," Epstein said. "The quiet dignity of her just being a person and so clearly a good and loving person, it makes my reaction, and I would think a lot of people's reaction (to Francis' remarks), 'Well, of course.'"

Dale McGowan also affirmed the pope's recognition of nonbelievers. His Foundation Beyond Belief collects funds from nonbelievers and distributes them to charities and relief organizations and organizes teams of secular volunteers. To date, Foundation Beyond Belief has raised more than $35,000 for victims of the Oklahoma tornado.

"Anything that decreases the mistrust and fear between people is a good thing," he said. "Some people might say it contradicts past statements (of other popes), but I don't care about any of that. It is terrific when a position evolves to where we can put division behind us, and this is an example of that and I think it is great."

D.J. Grothe, president of the James Randi Education Foundation, an organization of skeptics, said he hears echoes of the landmark Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) in Francis' remarks. And while he takes issue with some policies of the Catholic Church - the promotion of miracles, the opposition to contraception - the pope's address was nonetheless "refreshing."

Francis' predecessor, Benedict XVI, was a vocal opponent of secularism and unbelief, even as he approved a new initiative called "Courtyard of the Gentiles" to engage in dialogue with nonbelievers and linked arms with outspoken Italian journalist Oriana Fallaci, an atheist who saw trouble in the growth of European Islam.

"I don't see that disdain for nonbelief that was so apparent before" in other popes, Grothe said. "He is really talking about what I would call humanism - the ethical approach to making the world a better place without recourse to supernatural beliefs."

In the same homily, Francis said all people, "even the atheists," are "redeemed" through "the Blood of Christ" - the Christian belief that the sins of humanity are wiped clean through the crucifixion of Jesus. The inclusion of atheists in a belief they do not share seemed to raise few hackles.

"He was using his own language and speaking from his own beliefs," McGowan said, a statement echoed by others. "That is not the point. The point is he is saying, 'I don't fear you,' and I think that is a lovely thing."
http://www.bucyrustelegraphforum.com/usa...le/2355935


This guy is a lot better than Benedict (Emperor Palpatine) was.]]> Quote:Atheists and other nonbelievers largely welcomed Wednesday's (May 22) remarks by Pope Francis that performing "good works" is not the exclusive domain of people of faith, but rather a place where they and atheists could and should meet.

In a private homily, Francis described doing good not as a matter of faith, but of "duty, it is an identity card that our Father has given to all of us, because he has made us in his image and likeness."

Then, referring to non-Catholics and nonbelievers, he said, "if we do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter: we need that so much. We must meet one another doing good."

Reaction among American nonbelievers ranged from mild surprise to warm welcome. Some say they see Francis' remarks as a sign that nonbelief - atheism, humanism and other forms of freethought - is being normalized, while others see recognition of what they say they have known all along: Having no faith does not mean having no morality.

"We are a community that is just trying to do good and live good lives, just like most communities are," said Greg Epstein, Harvard University's Humanist chaplain and author of "Good Without God." ''His statement is an acknowledgment of that. It is welcome and it is gratifying."

Epstein was struck by the contrast of Francis' remarks and Tuesday's broadcast of an interview by CNN's Wolf Blitzer of an Oklahoma tornado victim. When Blitzer asked the woman if she wanted to thank God for her family's survival, she replied she is an atheist.

"You have this small example of this soft-spoken young mother who is recovering from the tornado who by her presence, her quiet dignity, not only exemplified what the pope was saying, but overshadowed him," Epstein said. "The quiet dignity of her just being a person and so clearly a good and loving person, it makes my reaction, and I would think a lot of people's reaction (to Francis' remarks), 'Well, of course.'"

Dale McGowan also affirmed the pope's recognition of nonbelievers. His Foundation Beyond Belief collects funds from nonbelievers and distributes them to charities and relief organizations and organizes teams of secular volunteers. To date, Foundation Beyond Belief has raised more than $35,000 for victims of the Oklahoma tornado.

"Anything that decreases the mistrust and fear between people is a good thing," he said. "Some people might say it contradicts past statements (of other popes), but I don't care about any of that. It is terrific when a position evolves to where we can put division behind us, and this is an example of that and I think it is great."

D.J. Grothe, president of the James Randi Education Foundation, an organization of skeptics, said he hears echoes of the landmark Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) in Francis' remarks. And while he takes issue with some policies of the Catholic Church - the promotion of miracles, the opposition to contraception - the pope's address was nonetheless "refreshing."

Francis' predecessor, Benedict XVI, was a vocal opponent of secularism and unbelief, even as he approved a new initiative called "Courtyard of the Gentiles" to engage in dialogue with nonbelievers and linked arms with outspoken Italian journalist Oriana Fallaci, an atheist who saw trouble in the growth of European Islam.

"I don't see that disdain for nonbelief that was so apparent before" in other popes, Grothe said. "He is really talking about what I would call humanism - the ethical approach to making the world a better place without recourse to supernatural beliefs."

In the same homily, Francis said all people, "even the atheists," are "redeemed" through "the Blood of Christ" - the Christian belief that the sins of humanity are wiped clean through the crucifixion of Jesus. The inclusion of atheists in a belief they do not share seemed to raise few hackles.

"He was using his own language and speaking from his own beliefs," McGowan said, a statement echoed by others. "That is not the point. The point is he is saying, 'I don't fear you,' and I think that is a lovely thing."
http://www.bucyrustelegraphforum.com/usa...le/2355935


This guy is a lot better than Benedict (Emperor Palpatine) was.]]> <![CDATA[Would theists become atheists if we found lifeform]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18952.html Thu, 23 May 2013 20:54:52 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18952.html And i mean real lifeform, not micro organism.
Or better yet, what if we found intelligent lifeform that have civilazations?

Cause as far as i know there are not mentions of other life on other planets in the bible or quran (or is there?).
I wonder even if there is mention of any planets at all in bible or quran. As far as i know only earth, moon sun and stars.]]> And i mean real lifeform, not micro organism.
Or better yet, what if we found intelligent lifeform that have civilazations?

Cause as far as i know there are not mentions of other life on other planets in the bible or quran (or is there?).
I wonder even if there is mention of any planets at all in bible or quran. As far as i know only earth, moon sun and stars.]]> <![CDATA[Thank God for Atheist Forums!]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18951.html Thu, 23 May 2013 18:25:59 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18951.html
A 19 year old kid posted a thread about prayer. He said that he didn't think anyone was listening and went on to list reasons that were beginning to convince him that this was a good possibility.

He got about 6 of these responses...

"God is listening, you just have to have faith that he knows what's best, and he will answer your prayers in His way."

or..

"The nature of your prayers sound selfish. If you focused on asking for things for other people, he would be more likely to grant them."

and of course these...

"It was probably not a good time as he has a plan for you. Continue to praise him and love him with your entire being, put him first and above all, and he will rain down blessings on you in due time."

I thought...hmm: Do these people honestly think that if somebody came to him a few months before the light bulb came on in his head, with the same concerns, that he would not give them the same standardized responses??!! Aren't these things that children are taught right out of the gate to get the ball rolling on these sorts of unflasifiable claims???

He responded to them with further concerns, and valid observations that confirm what he suspects, and yet still...more people offered the same advice in different words.

So...I offered a little Atheist perspective pertaining to his OP...This is the response from the mod that came the next day (I've edited the forums name because I'm not sure if it would be against the rules to post it or not)

Hi Texas Sailor,

Your post quoted below was recently reported for staff review. After careful review our moderating team has reached consensus and has decided to send you a Counseling Private Message (CPM) for this post which you made in the thread "Why doesn't prayer work?" for violation of the following XXXX Forums rule:

Congregational Forum Restrictions, Christian Only Forums, and Off-Topic posts
Do not post in the forums reserved for Christians only, unless you are truly a Nicene Creed, Trinitarian Christian (please see our Statement of Faith to know exactly what that is). If you wish to discuss unorthodox doctrines, you may do so in Unorthodox Theology.

Since you've identified yourself as an atheist, you may not post in areas marked "Christian Only". Your post will remain deleted from the thread. Please take some time to review our Sitewide Rules before making any further posts. You should also review the Moderation Protocol for XXXX Forums. This CPM does not expire and will remain on your staff record to verify that you have been contacted about following XF rules and guidelines. Any further violations will result in warnings and infractions.

All of XF sitewide rules, moderation protocol, and general information may be accessed through our FAQ's Link. Please also be aware that some of the forums have guidelines for posting in that forum. These guidelines are called the forum Statement of Purpose. These threads are sticky threads and are located at the top of the forum's page. It is your responsibility to read and abide by the Statement of Purpose threads before posting in any of our forums.

As it turns out...there is no forum that is not labeled Christians Only except the one titled "Exploring Christianity". I was told to post there, and my first thread was promptly deleted. They said that forum was strictly for people with questions pertaining to How to be a christian, and apparently not setup for challenging the claims made by the people that practice the religion.

Thanks Atheist Forums.org!]]>
A 19 year old kid posted a thread about prayer. He said that he didn't think anyone was listening and went on to list reasons that were beginning to convince him that this was a good possibility.

He got about 6 of these responses...

"God is listening, you just have to have faith that he knows what's best, and he will answer your prayers in His way."

or..

"The nature of your prayers sound selfish. If you focused on asking for things for other people, he would be more likely to grant them."

and of course these...

"It was probably not a good time as he has a plan for you. Continue to praise him and love him with your entire being, put him first and above all, and he will rain down blessings on you in due time."

I thought...hmm: Do these people honestly think that if somebody came to him a few months before the light bulb came on in his head, with the same concerns, that he would not give them the same standardized responses??!! Aren't these things that children are taught right out of the gate to get the ball rolling on these sorts of unflasifiable claims???

He responded to them with further concerns, and valid observations that confirm what he suspects, and yet still...more people offered the same advice in different words.

So...I offered a little Atheist perspective pertaining to his OP...This is the response from the mod that came the next day (I've edited the forums name because I'm not sure if it would be against the rules to post it or not)

Hi Texas Sailor,

Your post quoted below was recently reported for staff review. After careful review our moderating team has reached consensus and has decided to send you a Counseling Private Message (CPM) for this post which you made in the thread "Why doesn't prayer work?" for violation of the following XXXX Forums rule:

Congregational Forum Restrictions, Christian Only Forums, and Off-Topic posts
Do not post in the forums reserved for Christians only, unless you are truly a Nicene Creed, Trinitarian Christian (please see our Statement of Faith to know exactly what that is). If you wish to discuss unorthodox doctrines, you may do so in Unorthodox Theology.

Since you've identified yourself as an atheist, you may not post in areas marked "Christian Only". Your post will remain deleted from the thread. Please take some time to review our Sitewide Rules before making any further posts. You should also review the Moderation Protocol for XXXX Forums. This CPM does not expire and will remain on your staff record to verify that you have been contacted about following XF rules and guidelines. Any further violations will result in warnings and infractions.

All of XF sitewide rules, moderation protocol, and general information may be accessed through our FAQ's Link. Please also be aware that some of the forums have guidelines for posting in that forum. These guidelines are called the forum Statement of Purpose. These threads are sticky threads and are located at the top of the forum's page. It is your responsibility to read and abide by the Statement of Purpose threads before posting in any of our forums.

As it turns out...there is no forum that is not labeled Christians Only except the one titled "Exploring Christianity". I was told to post there, and my first thread was promptly deleted. They said that forum was strictly for people with questions pertaining to How to be a christian, and apparently not setup for challenging the claims made by the people that practice the religion.

Thanks Atheist Forums.org!]]> <![CDATA[Optimus Prime is better than Jesus]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18950.html Thu, 23 May 2013 15:10:24 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18950.html ]]> ]]> <![CDATA[The silly insult thread]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18949.html Thu, 23 May 2013 15:08:26 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18949.html

Well, you are a bunch of poopie-heads!]]>

Well, you are a bunch of poopie-heads!]]> <![CDATA[Pope Francis says atheists can be good]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18948.html Thu, 23 May 2013 14:58:32 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18948.html

Cool Shades]]>

Cool Shades]]> <![CDATA[Dump it here.]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18947.html Thu, 23 May 2013 12:58:55 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18947.html
Okay, that's better. Give it a try, dump all your frustrations here so maybe we can keep the other discussions more to the point! Argue]]>
Okay, that's better. Give it a try, dump all your frustrations here so maybe we can keep the other discussions more to the point! Argue]]> <![CDATA[Thoughts on the Woolwich killing]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18946.html Thu, 23 May 2013 12:18:21 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18946.html
BBC news item

For those who don't know, a man was beheaded in Woolwich, London, UK in what appears to be a religio-political killing by Islamic extremists. One of the killers gave an 'interview' immediately after the killing and the video has been widely distributed (see the link).This has sparked widespread anti-islamic sentiment across the UK resulting in demonstrations by right-wing groups and counter-demonstrations by pro-islamic and human-rights groups. In the meantime, muslims across the UK (especially London) appear to be in fear of reprisals, although none have been reported yet.

For me, I'm sickened both by the killing and the bigotry.]]>
BBC news item

For those who don't know, a man was beheaded in Woolwich, London, UK in what appears to be a religio-political killing by Islamic extremists. One of the killers gave an 'interview' immediately after the killing and the video has been widely distributed (see the link).This has sparked widespread anti-islamic sentiment across the UK resulting in demonstrations by right-wing groups and counter-demonstrations by pro-islamic and human-rights groups. In the meantime, muslims across the UK (especially London) appear to be in fear of reprisals, although none have been reported yet.

For me, I'm sickened both by the killing and the bigotry.]]> <![CDATA[Golden Dawn seeks to become 'like Hezbollah in Lebanon']]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18945.html Thu, 23 May 2013 05:05:23 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18945.html

Quote:Golden Dawn MP says that Hezbollah is a model for the party in the way it helps even its 'poorest citizens'

Golden Dawn is determined to set up parallel government services "like the Hezbollah in Lebanon", a senior MP with the neofascist party has told Australian telelvision.

"Golden Dawn wants to become and will become like the Hezbollah in Lebanon, which in effect is a second government which helps even its poorest citizens," the MP, Ilias Panayiotaros, told SBS.

"Over time, Golden Dawn will do more for our fellow citizens," said Panayiotaros, over footage showing the party's Greeks-only food handout on May 2.



Commenting on the increase in suicide since the start of the crisis, Panayiotaros said that instead of taking their own lives, Greeks should target those who he says are to blame.

"This is tragic because Greeks were not like this. Instead of committing suicide, Greeks could have gone and killed the ones who were responsible for their problems," he told journalist Evan Williams, who informed his viewers that there have been "4,000 suicides" in Greece in the past four years. But official figures for 2011 say that 477 died by suicide in 2011.

When Williams him asked in turn "who should they kill?", Panayiotaros replied: Bankers, of course."

Breaking into a momentary smile, the Golden Dawn MP said Greeks should follow the example of Cyprus during the stock exchange crash in 2000, when bombs were placed at a brockerage and under a stockbroker's car.

The 15-minute news documentary, for SBS' Dateline programme, also shows Panayiotaros turning up for what he claims is a Greeks-only blood donation drive in a Smart car, with a handgun visable in his trousers pocket.

The MP claims the gun is legally held and that the party does not have police protection.

The party lost its police protection last September after a number of its MPs participated in violent incidents against migrant traders who they said were operating illegally.

http://www.enetenglish.gr/?i=news.en.politics&id=991]]>

Quote:Golden Dawn MP says that Hezbollah is a model for the party in the way it helps even its 'poorest citizens'

Golden Dawn is determined to set up parallel government services "like the Hezbollah in Lebanon", a senior MP with the neofascist party has told Australian telelvision.

"Golden Dawn wants to become and will become like the Hezbollah in Lebanon, which in effect is a second government which helps even its poorest citizens," the MP, Ilias Panayiotaros, told SBS.

"Over time, Golden Dawn will do more for our fellow citizens," said Panayiotaros, over footage showing the party's Greeks-only food handout on May 2.



Commenting on the increase in suicide since the start of the crisis, Panayiotaros said that instead of taking their own lives, Greeks should target those who he says are to blame.

"This is tragic because Greeks were not like this. Instead of committing suicide, Greeks could have gone and killed the ones who were responsible for their problems," he told journalist Evan Williams, who informed his viewers that there have been "4,000 suicides" in Greece in the past four years. But official figures for 2011 say that 477 died by suicide in 2011.

When Williams him asked in turn "who should they kill?", Panayiotaros replied: Bankers, of course."

Breaking into a momentary smile, the Golden Dawn MP said Greeks should follow the example of Cyprus during the stock exchange crash in 2000, when bombs were placed at a brockerage and under a stockbroker's car.

The 15-minute news documentary, for SBS' Dateline programme, also shows Panayiotaros turning up for what he claims is a Greeks-only blood donation drive in a Smart car, with a handgun visable in his trousers pocket.

The MP claims the gun is legally held and that the party does not have police protection.

The party lost its police protection last September after a number of its MPs participated in violent incidents against migrant traders who they said were operating illegally.

http://www.enetenglish.gr/?i=news.en.politics&id=991]]> <![CDATA[To anyone who says that I hate their god...]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18944.html Thu, 23 May 2013 04:25:20 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18944.html
[Image: 575895_10151593673924780_1197681836_n.jpg]

What's so hard about that?

(Of course, if we're talking about the mythological character as depicted in your holy book of choice, now that's a different matter.)]]>
[Image: 575895_10151593673924780_1197681836_n.jpg]

What's so hard about that?

(Of course, if we're talking about the mythological character as depicted in your holy book of choice, now that's a different matter.)]]> <![CDATA[Happily trapped in a glass box.]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18943.html Thu, 23 May 2013 03:52:46 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18943.html
This was a person's post on my FB newsfeed. I just have to ask... is everyone so deluded and comfortable in the glass box of Christianity that absolutely no evidence contrary to your worldview will be even remotely considered? Is the reason literally because anything contrary "exceeds the simplicity of Jesus Christ"? Is questioning your thoughts, feelings, and actions so horrible of a predicament that unless you have a book telling you exactly how to think, feel, and act you can't function properly?]]>
This was a person's post on my FB newsfeed. I just have to ask... is everyone so deluded and comfortable in the glass box of Christianity that absolutely no evidence contrary to your worldview will be even remotely considered? Is the reason literally because anything contrary "exceeds the simplicity of Jesus Christ"? Is questioning your thoughts, feelings, and actions so horrible of a predicament that unless you have a book telling you exactly how to think, feel, and act you can't function properly?]]> <![CDATA[AF Hall of Fallacies]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18942.html Wed, 22 May 2013 23:57:24 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18942.html
The purpose of this thread is to mainly better understand and be able to spot common logical fallacies that people make during discussions. Having this skill, I believe, can somewhat improve our own logical reasoning abilities and thereby make us better debaters as well. Recently, I've been looking at some of these fallacies and I'm interested to learn more about them as the days go by.

We don't necessarily have to learn all these fallacies in order to refute arguments, of course. And, surely, there are other important elements of having a good discussion/debate with someone aside from just knowing a bunch of fallacies. Nonetheless, I think that it's a good thing to have these little mental tools in our bags, especially for those of us who frequently participate in the myriad of discussions in this forum or anywhere else, for that matter.

Basically, in this thread, you just have to post a member's quote that you came across in a different thread which you think is a logical fallacy, and then write the name of that fallacy. You may also give a short description of that particular fallacy as well as why you think that the comment that you quoted in your post falls under that fallacy, if you wish.

Also, be aware that the member that you quoted might get into a small argument with you about it, but that's okay. You just explain to him calmly why that was a fallacy.

Don't get too fallacy happy, though, because sometimes you may not realize that you misused a fallacy, which happens quite often - so try to be careful. Some of the fallacies are trickier than others. And if anyone does misuse a fallacy, then that person will be sent a private message where I will post a short fallacy quiz which he then has to complete and get a score of 100 before he is allowed to post in my thread again. I'm not kidding! Well, yes, I am.

Anyways, here are two links that have a list of many logical fallacies along with explanations and examples for each of them:

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/taxonomy.html
http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/

There was another thread - Logic 101 - that was created for the purpose of dealing with certain aspects of logic including logical fallacies.


Hopefully this thread will include more than just ad hominems and straw mans. Tongue]]>
The purpose of this thread is to mainly better understand and be able to spot common logical fallacies that people make during discussions. Having this skill, I believe, can somewhat improve our own logical reasoning abilities and thereby make us better debaters as well. Recently, I've been looking at some of these fallacies and I'm interested to learn more about them as the days go by.

We don't necessarily have to learn all these fallacies in order to refute arguments, of course. And, surely, there are other important elements of having a good discussion/debate with someone aside from just knowing a bunch of fallacies. Nonetheless, I think that it's a good thing to have these little mental tools in our bags, especially for those of us who frequently participate in the myriad of discussions in this forum or anywhere else, for that matter.

Basically, in this thread, you just have to post a member's quote that you came across in a different thread which you think is a logical fallacy, and then write the name of that fallacy. You may also give a short description of that particular fallacy as well as why you think that the comment that you quoted in your post falls under that fallacy, if you wish.

Also, be aware that the member that you quoted might get into a small argument with you about it, but that's okay. You just explain to him calmly why that was a fallacy.

Don't get too fallacy happy, though, because sometimes you may not realize that you misused a fallacy, which happens quite often - so try to be careful. Some of the fallacies are trickier than others. And if anyone does misuse a fallacy, then that person will be sent a private message where I will post a short fallacy quiz which he then has to complete and get a score of 100 before he is allowed to post in my thread again. I'm not kidding! Well, yes, I am.

Anyways, here are two links that have a list of many logical fallacies along with explanations and examples for each of them:

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/taxonomy.html
http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/

There was another thread - Logic 101 - that was created for the purpose of dealing with certain aspects of logic including logical fallacies.


Hopefully this thread will include more than just ad hominems and straw mans. Tongue]]> <![CDATA[Hi from Korea]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18941.html Wed, 22 May 2013 23:03:40 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18941.html
I'm hoping to see/participate in some good debating, and you'll find me taking unpopular positions sometimes. In the end, however, I have great respect from those who have walked away from their various religious instutions and started thinking for themselves.

Also, I joined to gain access to the users-only "nude pics" threads. Please point the way. Big Grin]]>
I'm hoping to see/participate in some good debating, and you'll find me taking unpopular positions sometimes. In the end, however, I have great respect from those who have walked away from their various religious instutions and started thinking for themselves.

Also, I joined to gain access to the users-only "nude pics" threads. Please point the way. Big Grin]]> <![CDATA[The Reglion of peace strikes yet again]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18940.html Wed, 22 May 2013 22:19:10 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18940.html Quote:A man has been killed in a machete attack and two suspects shot and wounded by police in Woolwich, south-east London.

The Met Police said a murder inquiry was being led by its Counter Terrorism Command. Prime Minister David Cameron said the UK would "never buckle" in the face of terror attacks.

Footage has emerged showing a man wielding a bloodied meat cleaver and making political statements.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630303 do you I see why Islam is so disliked in the west, its not Islamic extremists but Islam.]]> Quote:A man has been killed in a machete attack and two suspects shot and wounded by police in Woolwich, south-east London.

The Met Police said a murder inquiry was being led by its Counter Terrorism Command. Prime Minister David Cameron said the UK would "never buckle" in the face of terror attacks.

Footage has emerged showing a man wielding a bloodied meat cleaver and making political statements.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630303 do you I see why Islam is so disliked in the west, its not Islamic extremists but Islam.]]> <![CDATA[Monsanto Has Been Removed And Banned By:]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18939.html Wed, 22 May 2013 21:41:25 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18939.html
http://politicalvelcraft.org/2013/03/23/...itzerland/

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http://politicalvelcraft.org/2013/03/23/...itzerland/

[Image: 268844_465017220247387_1154970292_n.jpg]]]> <![CDATA[Angelina Jolies Boobs]]> http://atheistforums.org/thread-18938.html Wed, 22 May 2013 21:18:22 +0000 http://atheistforums.org/thread-18938.html
Angelina Jolie cut off her boobs.

Don't panic. She had reconstructive surgery.

Details Here]]>
Angelina Jolie cut off her boobs.

Don't panic. She had reconstructive surgery.

Details Here]]>