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Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
Quote:Nazareth was a city long before Matthew came along--since soon after the Hebrews came to Canaan.


Okay - so now we have established that you don't know your ass from your elbow. Actually, that makes you fairly typical of the breed.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/nazareth.html

Quote:The gospels do not tell us much about this 'city' – it has a synagogue, it can scare up a hostile crowd (prompting JC's famous "prophet rejected in his own land" quote), and it has a precipice – but the city status of Nazareth is clearly established, at least according to that source of nonsense called the Bible.

However when we look for historical confirmation of this hometown of a god – surprise, surprise! – no other source confirms that the place even existed in the 1st century AD.

• Nazareth is not mentioned even once in the entire Old Testament. The Book of Joshua (19.10,16) – in what it claims is the process of settlement by the tribe of Zebulon in the area – records twelve towns and six villages and yet omits any 'Nazareth' from its list.

• The Talmud, although it names 63 Galilean towns, knows nothing of Nazareth, nor does early rabbinic literature.

• St Paul knows nothing of 'Nazareth'. Rabbi Solly's epistles (real and fake) mention Jesus 221 times, Nazareth not at all.

• No ancient historian or geographer mentions Nazareth. It is first noted at the beginning of the 4th century.

None of this would matter of course if, rather like at the nearby 'pagan' city of Sepphoris, we could stroll through the ruins of 1st century bath houses, villas, theatres etc. Yet no such ruins exist.


Let's see you pull evidence out of your ass.
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
Thanks Min, for the backup. I actually did check up on Ken's articles but in my impaired emotional state at the moment I ended up confusing myself. Could you confirm whether I was on the right track in my previous post? I'm fairly certain to an extent anyway but history has never been my strongest suit; and it doesn't help with all the arse/elbow confusion from our learned friend.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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I have seen that discussion of Nazarite, Nasorean, Nazareth, too. It's interesting but I don't know how you actually prove it. The Greeks and Romans had a tendency to say "Joe of somewhere" while the Jews used the patronymic form "Joe son of Shlomo" for example. As has been pointed out repeatedly, if someone had said "jesus of nazareth" to a first century jew the answer would have been "jesus of where?"

The archaeological evidence that catholic monks hang their hats on is abysmal. A couple of oil lamps which have been dated to later times. There were some tombs cut into the limestone which means that if there were "jews" living there they were living near a cemetery which is forbidden.

The fairly respected xtian scholar, Stephen Pfann, excavated there in the 90's and found a farm. Not a city. Not even a town. Not even a village.

We know in 67 AD that Josephus marched his army all over the area of Sepphoris and although he noted many towns that he passed through he never seems to have heard of fucking "Nazareth."
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
(August 23, 2012 at 11:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Let's see you pull evidence out of your ass.
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-12-21/world...s=PM:WORLD
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(August 23, 2012 at 11:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Let's see you pull evidence out of your ass.
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-12-21/world...s=PM:WORLD
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Interesting,it suggests, but is tentative, and in no way conclusive in any way.

Quote:The building that we found is small and modest and it is most likely typical of the dwellings in Nazareth in that period," Yardenna Alexandre, excavation director for the authority, said in the stateme


Nor is one building proof a village. At this stage there is not nearly enough evidence to start making claims. That is probably why the article presents some speculation but no actual claims

You have not met your burden of proof.
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
Got you, fuckhead. I knew you'd fall for that.

Here is the original press release from the Israel Antiquities Authority on that find. I keep it handy for just these occasions.

http://www.antiquities.org.il/article_It...ule_id=#as

Quote:The artifacts recovered from inside the building were few and mostly included fragments of pottery vessels from the Early Roman period (the first and second centuries CE).

We know that a town existed in the second century but what you post is an excellent example of how xtian "scholars" try to bend the facts to bail out their bullshit.

Besides, since when does one house constitute a city?

What's next? A couple of planks from Noah's Ark?
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
(January 7, 2012 at 6:05 pm)Fpvpilot Wrote:


I have gone through this whole thread and ignoring those disagreements about the reliability of carbon dating, some interesting arguments have been put forward, and in particular, the one above by Fpvpilot. Would love a step-by-step analysis of this argument from someone, if time/interest permits.

(April 8, 2012 at 2:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote: This describes an actual historical situation. Aretas of Nabatea did rule Damascus. Unfortunately for xtians, he ruled it between 84 and 64 BC.

(December 10, 2011 at 6:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Xtians assert, without a shred of evidence ( as is their custom), that the Aretas in "Paul" is Aretas IV who died in 40 AD, a few short years after attacking Herod Antipas and being chased away by the army of Lucius Vitellius, governor of Syria. There is no indication from any Roman or Jewish source that the Romans ever gave up control of Damascus which was, as the western terminus of the Silk Road, a very valuable piece of real estate.

Just curious about this Wikipedia snipet, which supports the view that Aretas IV did indeed control Damascus during this period.

Quote:In the year 37, Roman Emperor Caligula transferred Damascus to Nabataean control by decree.[citation needed] The Nabataean king Aretas IV Philopatris ruled Damascus from his capital Petra. However, around the year 106, Nabataea was conquered by the Romans, and Damascus returned to Roman control.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
(August 24, 2012 at 1:40 am)Minimalist Wrote: Got you, fuckhead. I knew you'd fall for that.

Here is the original press release from the Israel Antiquities Authority on that find. I keep it handy for just these occasions.

http://www.antiquities.org.il/article_It...ule_id=#as

Quote:The artifacts recovered from inside the building were few and mostly included fragments of pottery vessels from the Early Roman period (the first and second centuries CE).

We know that a town existed in the second century but what you post is an excellent example of how xtian "scholars" try to bend the facts to bail out their bullshit.

Besides, since when does one house constitute a city?

What's next? A couple of planks from Noah's Ark?

Brillliant. This in chess terms would be called discovered check: one piece moves and by doing so reveals another, same-side piece, which directly checks the enemy King. The other chess term appropriate at this juncture is zugzwang, in which one player is in a position which can only get worse no matter what move s/he makes. U/D, never ever take up chess; you suck so badly at it.

I suppose a couple of millennia from now some "Disneyan" archaeologist will find the remains of the castle at the Disneyland site and conclude that Sleeping Beauty was a real historical character and the Disney account of it was genuine eyewitness testimony.

Btw, I'm feeling marginally better now than I did this morning. Still not out of the woods and with no guarantees I'll improve, but on a scale of -20 to +20, 0 being normal, I feel about -8 whereas this morning I slipped down to -50 odd. I realise that makes no mathematical sense.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
U/D, try this on your pastor, or whoever you run to for comfort:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k24cQMaJzPk?rel=0

Crotch-bar video description:
Ken Humphries Wrote:The evidence for a 1st century town of Nazareth does not exist -- not literary, not archaeological, and not historical. It is an imaginary city for an imaginary god-man.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
Jesus bones?
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