Tengriism

[Koldaramor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengri

God = Tengri

Turks and Mongols, the old god Tengri. The concept of tengri Turks, Arabs, like the Allah of god. For this reason, the Turks have been an easy transition to Islam. And unfortunately Islam become stronger after this.

[5thHorseman]

Biggest mountain in Tien Shan mountain range is Khan Tengri, translates as 'Lord of the sky.'

[kılıç_mehmet]

Well, I realize they don't worship mummies, kilic. Still, it is interesting.

Well, we had something similar though. "Balbals". Small statues, that represented a person. It could be anything. A warrior could even commemorate the men he had slain in balbals.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengri

God = Tengri

Turks and Mongols, the old god Tengri. The concept of tengri Turks, Arabs, like the Allah of god. For this reason, the Turks have been an easy transition to Islam. And unfortunately Islam become stronger after this.

I'm not really sure about that one though.
The Turks have converted to Islam over course of years.
The efforts of sufis have accomplished this.

[Koldaramor]

kılıç_mehmet Wrote
>>I'm not really sure about that one though.
>>The Turks have converted to Islam over course of years.
>>The efforts of sufis have accomplished this.

Thats rigt. But in the end. The Turks accepted Islam after the Arab religion. Islam was the only labors. Therefore, in art, trade, science, technique, were back. They gave importance only to war. This is because of the wars have won many of the enemy. Example; Serbs Bulgarians, Russians, Greeks, Arabs, Shiites, Kurds, Armenians, British, French, etc.

[KichigaiNeko]

So essentially Turkey, like all Islamic Nations are fucked technologically.

[Koldaramor]

In fact, correct to say that the Ottoman Empire. As opposed to all religions, Islam, science and technology. Christians condemned to the darkness of Europe 1500 years something like that.

Three great ancient civilizations. Turks, Persians and Egyptians to accept Islam, a very great misfortune. If this were three people lives in their own religions in the world would have been very good.

[KichigaiNeko]

I think that is what I (like many scientists and atheists) lament the most. These ancient civilisations are now nothing but backward religious theocratic nothings on the world stage. They could have been great but now they are nothing but 'religious, dirty, little, brown men' whilst the "Third World" is whooping their arse in advancement

So sad.

[kılıç_mehmet]

kılıç_mehmet Wrote
>>I'm not really sure about that one though.
>>The Turks have converted to Islam over course of years.
>>The efforts of sufis have accomplished this.

Thats rigt. But in the end. The Turks accepted Islam after the Arab religion. Islam was the only labors. Therefore, in art, trade, science, technique, were back. They gave importance only to war. This is because of the wars have won many of the enemy. Example; Serbs Bulgarians, Russians, Greeks, Arabs, Shiites, Kurds, Armenians, British, French, etc.

Well, they would have been our enemies regardless, as we progressed to the west. Besides, we weren't the only Turkish nation to do so. The Huns had progressed to the west before we did.

I think that is what I (like many scientists and atheists) lament the most. These ancient civilisations are now nothing but backward religious theocratic nothings on the world stage. They could have been great but now they are nothing but 'religious, dirty, little, brown men' whilst the "Third World" is whooping their arse in advancement

Well, you must be confusing us Turks with some lazy arabs down south.
Besides, we are a nato ally, 1st world.

So essentially Turkey, like all Islamic Nations are fucked technologically.

Not so more than Spain, Italy or France, friend.
I know that it is tempting for your occidental mindset to picture some dirty people with turbans on their heads when you think of the name moslem, but it's befitting for someone that does not make much brainstorming on any event that goes around in the world I guess.

[Epimethean]

I don't know about France, but whether they are technologically capable of getting out of the 20th century remains to be seen. Their military is certainly seeing some fallout from its past.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/0...S020120106

[Koldaramor]

http://www.meforum.org/2045/fethullah-gu...d-ambition

Turkey, Fethullah Gulen community manages. The US-backed coup in Turkey in 1980, provided benefits to religious groups. Religion began to rise after the 1980 coup in Turkey. Fettullah Gulen community, the Islamic religious structure. The congregation was almost entirely into the hands of the judiciary in Turkey. For this, the secular military, journalists, professors, the arrest is normal. Fettullah Gulens, also lives in Pennsylvania in the United States. CIA, FBI, etc. gets support organizations.
Objectives to Turkey is to become the state religion.