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Why Homosexuality is Okay
8th January 2012, 22:51 (This post was last modified: 8th January 2012 22:59 by Blam!.)
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(8th January 2012 21:55)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:  
(8th January 2012 21:38)Blam! Wrote:  Well..
"Normal" is not absolute. Besides, there is no "perfection" of life form nor for "normal" in nature. It is silly to classify the natural attributes of human into categories of morality and immorality. -- As for the concept of 7 deadly sins.

Well, unless mankind turns hermaphrodite I think that homosexuality will stay out of normal boundaries.
But again, what makes homosexuality abnormal? The point is not about "normal" boundaries - it's matter of how insecure assholes can be to people's slightest physical difference.

For example,
Is the race of darker skins the abnormal from white ones? If so, are dark skins within the boundaries of "normal"?

Quote:I think that homosexuality will stay out of normal boundaries.

The concept of "normal" boundaries are pointless. But why there have to be normal boundaries?
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8th January 2012, 22:55
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(8th January 2012 22:42)Rhythm Wrote:  
(8th January 2012 22:13)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:  I'm just content if such things do not befall the lands of Turan, and undermine our good customs and social norms.

From your descriptions of the place, and judging by your own opinions on such matters, I'm pretty sure you don't have any "good customs", and your "social norms" are garbage. I take solace in the thought that you are probably a statistical outlier. Somewhere, right now, within a few hundred feet of you, there is most likely a penis in another mans mouth. Does that make the walls close in?
Well, I don't expect an outsider like you to appreciate our customs, nor our social norms.
It certainly does not matter if there are men who suck eachother's dicks hundred feet away from me. They can fist eachother to death for all I care, but I'd like them to remain away from public eyes(as they are), as people are not reminded of their deeds each time they see them.
Obviously, many of them try to lead normal lives, without actually flaunting themselves to others, and that is much appreciated.
Quote:You are entitled to your opinion,no problem, unless you try to impose it on others. THEN you have a problem.
Who am I to do anything as a single person?
My opinions are shared by the crushing majority of this country, with some being a bit milder, some being a bit more radical.
What I'm expecting of the homosexuals of this country is to simply stay out of society if they are to flaunt their sexual identities in public.
Obviously, there are homosexuals who are rather more normal in appareance. This would explain why I never met a person who self-identifies as a homosexual, even though I might have met one without noticing.
It certainly matters little, as they do not obstruct the above mentioned customs and norms.
Quote:Also,perhaps not a good idea to say that in front of my gay sister;she WILL deck you.
I doubt that I will ever meet your sister, so.

Quote:PS I can GUARANTEE you CANNOT spot most gays.
And that's just fine. It's much better that way. However, when they do things like getting married, adopting children or wear those fetish things or act in obvious effeminate ways...Well, this is not really appreciated here, or anywhere else I've been to, I'd say.
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8th January 2012, 22:57
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(8th January 2012 22:55)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:  or wear those fetish things

Wait, what?
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8th January 2012, 23:03 (This post was last modified: 8th January 2012 23:05 by kılıç_mehmet.)
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Quote:But again, what makes homosexuality abnormal? The point is not about "normal" boundaries - it's matter of how insecure assholes can be to people's slightest physical difference.
I do not want to get more vulgar than I have been throughout the thread, but truthfully, two men/women), fucking eachother while taking turns is not normal.
It certainly isn't. It does not look natural either, but well, they put so much value on being natural, so I'll give them that.

Quote:Is the race of darker skins the abnormal from white ones? If so, are dark skins within the boundaries of "normal"?
If you really want to go into the subject of racism, I do not consider anyone else to be abnormal, as pigmentation can change with sun exposure too. However, this thread takes it into account that homosexuality comes from birth, not by external factors.
Quote:The concept of "normal" boundaries are pointless. But why there should be normal boundaries?
They are not. They exist naturally(just like homosexuality). There is no reason behind this. They exist, so that you feel uncomfortable while doing a naked handstand on your office desk singing YMCA...
I hope I made myself clear.


(8th January 2012 22:57)frankiej Wrote:  
(8th January 2012 22:55)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:  or wear those fetish things

Wait, what?
Wait what, yaa...
Gays really make a good name for themselves in these pride marches...
Obviously, many people take note.
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8th January 2012, 23:34 (This post was last modified: 8th January 2012 23:35 by Welsh cake.)
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(8th January 2012 21:25)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:  And you think that homosexuals are on equal terms with the rest of society?
They already can do whatever they want to do without facing repercussions in most countries, but they are pushing the limits to the institutions of marriage and family.
As an asexual, you'd be forgiven for thinking that 'I would not give a fuck' (literally) about the topic matter. However, it is quite the contrary.

I'm all for equality. I respect and defend people's choices and freedom to pursue whatever sexuality they feel happiest and most comfortable with. I treat homosexuals and heterosexuals exactly the same, as real human beings who deserve compassion and empathy.

As an asexual though, I'm eternally baffled as to why those of you who have sex are downright intolerable towards one another for your preferences. This homophobic attitude is irrational and as immature as children screaming "Eww!" when having their first lesson on sexual education.

I guess society and many of the people whom make it up still have a lot of growing up to do.
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8th January 2012, 23:47 (This post was last modified: 8th January 2012 23:48 by Rhythm.)
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(8th January 2012 22:55)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:  Well, I don't expect an outsider like you to appreciate our customs, nor our social norms.
It certainly does not matter if there are men who suck eachother's dicks hundred feet away from me. They can fist eachother to death for all I care, but I'd like them to remain away from public eyes(as they are), as people are not reminded of their deeds each time they see them.
Obviously, many of them try to lead normal lives, without actually flaunting themselves to others, and that is much appreciated.

Excellent, so you understand that your social norms and customs are as strange to an outsider as homosexuality seems to be to you? Let's try something then....

"I don't care if there are Turks 100 feet from me, but I'd like them to remain away from public eyes(as they are), as people are not reminded of their deeds each time they see them.
Obviously, many of them try to lead normal lives, without actually flaunting themselves to others, and that is much appreciated."
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9th January 2012, 00:55 (This post was last modified: 9th January 2012 01:01 by kılıç_mehmet.)
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(8th January 2012 23:34)Welsh cake Wrote:  
(8th January 2012 21:25)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:  And you think that homosexuals are on equal terms with the rest of society?
They already can do whatever they want to do without facing repercussions in most countries, but they are pushing the limits to the institutions of marriage and family.
As an asexual, you'd be forgiven for thinking that 'I would not give a fuck' (literally) about the topic matter. However, it is quite the contrary.

I'm all for equality. I respect and defend people's choices and freedom to pursue whatever sexuality they feel happiest and most comfortable with. I treat homosexuals and heterosexuals exactly the same, as real human beings who deserve compassion and empathy.

As an asexual though, I'm eternally baffled as to why those of you who have sex are downright intolerable towards one another for your preferences. This homophobic attitude is irrational and as immature as children screaming "Eww!" when having their first lesson on sexual education.

I guess society and many of the people whom make it up still have a lot of growing up to do.
Equality, as I said, are amongst equals. Homosexuals are equal in front of that law, however, even if they get the aforementioned rights , they'll never be treated as equal members of society.
And I don't know what you're talking about.."preferences"...Is this a matter of preference, or a matter of biological attraction?
Really, make up your mind already.
Besides, it's nothing like that. Children would scream at homosexual sex the first time they see it too, but I know it from my own experience that I was significantly more irritated by homosexuals, when I first saw them at a gay parade in Berlin, than the prospect of actually trying to visualize how a man and woman would mate.

Quote:Excellent, so you understand that your social norms and customs are as strange to an outsider as homosexuality seems to be to you? Let's try something then....

"I don't care if there are Turks 100 feet from me, but I'd like them to remain away from public eyes(as they are), as people are not reminded of their deeds each time they see them.
Obviously, many of them try to lead normal lives, without actually flaunting themselves to others, and that is much appreciated."
And I'm supposed to be really offended at the thought of that?
Actually no. But it serves my purposes too. Now we come to think of gays as something resembling a common "nation" or at least a minority of their own, and you tried to pull off a game of words on that basis, linking homophobia to xenophobia or racism. Obviously, it's unrelated. I do not really distinct between different ethnicities of gays. All are equally gay, suffice to say....
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9th January 2012, 02:25 (This post was last modified: 9th January 2012 02:31 by passionatefool.)
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I'm just gonna say mehmet is secretly gay because I just cant seem to understand why he is so obssessed over it and hate it so much yet he continues to attend those gay pride parades! all of the reasons he presented are bullshits and just plain stupid, doesn't even make any sense. I think he should just say because "god says so" it would make it a whole lot better than disguising it as if he has any real justification for being a homophobe. End of story.
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9th January 2012, 02:58
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(9th January 2012 02:25)passionatefool Wrote:  I'm just gonna say mehmet is secretly gay because I just cant seem to understand why he is so obssessed over it and hate it so much yet he continues to attend those gay pride parades! all of the reasons he presented are bullshits and just plain stupid, doesn't even make any sense. I think he should just say because "god says so" it would make it a whole lot better than disguising it as if he has any real justification for being a homophobe. End of story.
When you're as queer as this one, nothing makes sense anymore I guess.
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9th January 2012, 03:05
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(9th January 2012 02:58)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:  
(9th January 2012 02:25)passionatefool Wrote:  I'm just gonna say mehmet is secretly gay because I just cant seem to understand why he is so obssessed over it and hate it so much yet he continues to attend those gay pride parades! all of the reasons he presented are bullshits and just plain stupid, doesn't even make any sense. I think he should just say because "god says so" it would make it a whole lot better than disguising it as if he has any real justification for being a homophobe. End of story.
When you're as queer as this one, nothing makes sense anymore I guess.

When you're as bigoted as this one, you dont make any sense anymore I guess.
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