Santorant: Birth Control is WHAT?

[Faith No More]

If anyone is misrepresenting their platform, it is the Republicans. The party as you describe it no longer exists. They have evolved into something barely recognizable form tyrants, and they are happy with that. A political party is defined by its members, and as such, the Republican party no longer, if it ever did, represents the idealogical definition you are giving.

If things continue as they have, instead of calling Republicans tyrants, we will be calling tyrants Republicans.

[Perhaps]

Let's just use the correct terminology when referring to the platforms of candidates. I consider myself a republican in the truest sense. I do not enjoy being categorized (coincidental with my ideologies) with others who misrepresent my beliefs. The republican party is the party which represents the republican ideologies, not as you say, one in which people deem themselves republicans.

If things continue as they are I will call tyrants tyrants, as I hope all educated individuals would.

[Minimalist]

Amazing that a lot of Republicans call themselves 'fiscal conservatives', then you go look at national debt graphs and it just doesn't add up.

That's because they are full of shit. There really is no need to over-engineer this.

[Faith No More]

Let's just use the correct terminology when referring to the platforms of candidates. I consider myself a republican in the truest sense. I do not enjoy being categorized (coincidental with my ideologies) with others who misrepresent my beliefs. The republican party is the party which represents the republican ideologies, not as you say, one in which people deem themselves republicans.

If things continue as they are I will call tyrants tyrants, as I hope all educated individuals would.

Like I said, the Republican party has evolved into something entirely different. You may hold to the idealistic version of what the Republican party once stood for, but the party itself is no longer interested in those ideals.

[paintpooper]

Last I checked, Ron Paul was all those things too and was an actual Republican (in third place as well).

Yes and he is an intelligent man. People can say what they want about him, but look at who he is running with... Frothy man, and Rich Mormon guy who makes 10K bets like its a 20 dollar bet. These guys are idiots and should not run a country ever, and we ALL know this.
When you ask candidates what they would be doing on a Saturday night instead of running for president, all the shills say "watching the football champion ships" Ron Paul says... "Reading economic textbooks" That's the guy you want for president.

We are intellectuals here, we can see past the religious bs, so why can't we apply our critical thinking to politics, its all the same thinking mechanisms.

Obama? Yeah I drank it all up, I voted, donated, thought the guy was "real" thought he was going to do all these things. That's the price I pay for getting into politics during the 2008 election. Sure we can say the republicans have been hindering what he wants to do, but I don't see him calling them out or actually fighting to change anything. I see status quo people, and you do to. I still see a country without healthcare, a country who murders and invades sovereign counties, and can now detain US citizens, and are trying to also shut down our internet communication. SOPA, NDAA. Who is still run by the 1%, banks still rule.

There is a right left paradigm going on in this country, can't we see they both strive for the same basic things, but differ on things like "Birth Control" "Gays" "abortions" it is made to polarize the people into distinct parties who are against each other, for reasons of control. Democrats and Republicans are much much more alike then we think. They differ on social issues to create an artificial debate for the people to squawk about, so we "think" we are making a difference with our vote, when their economic and foreign policies are very identical. Deep down most people just want the same simple things, so they create these issues to divide us.

What I dont like is Ron Paul's advertisements along with his approach.

He says the first thing he will do is shut down the dept of education..as if THAT is why our economy is bad...as if THAT is the biggest problem in America.

The Ron Paul supporters can never answer this question:

"You say that Ron Paul will fix the economy and bring jobs to America. Please explain to me how him cutting the departments of Education, energy, and what not is nothing more than MASSIVE job losses for the entire country?"

After I ask a question like that, I usually get bombarded with hatemail without a single answer to my question.

If Ron just said "All I will do in my first term is stop the war on drugs and bring our troops back home" I would vote for him so damn quick, but that isnt just it. The right wing in this country will not let him do any of his civil libertarian stuff. they will GLADLY cut the department of education though, and THAT is why Ron Paul says it will be the first thing he will do.

In other words, the only thing that would change if ron Paul got elected, in my opinion, would be the destruction of our half-assed education system. Everything else he supports and says would never make it past congress. Our education would pass into the private sector. We would be FORCED to support private schools, and once it all was done and said for, we would be spending MORE on education and our scientific education would drop even lower than it is now, as surely the stock owners of the private schools would want the American public to be as stupid as fuck unless you paid premium money to get taught REAL science and biology.

Me? I want the country to go to the left. Noam Chomsky has the right idea. you will never have a "free market" with the system we have now. The system we have now is EXACTLY what the businesses want. they want assured contracts. Corn growers get welfare for growing their product AND not for growing it. Same thing with sugar. Whatever doesnt sell on the market gets bought by the government at a price higher than what it is sold for on the market. Talk about a welfare system.

I never said anyone can fix this economy, its pretty fucked. Regarding Education dept I would love to address this issue. Now I never said I'm in 100% favor of establishment of the education dept, but I will still try to defend some of the reasons behind it.
My schools are muni/state run/funded, I used to work for the school district in Alaska. So not sure how it would go instantly to private whackos.
First, the federal dept of education has 5000 employees.
2011, 70 Billion dollar budget.
2000, 20 billion dollar budget.
Did education get better in the last 11 years? No.

That is my point, that is all I need or want to say about the education department. Those are facts.

Could 70 billion be allotted much better, for sure. How about college education for all US citizens. Its our tax dollars, if we think college would educate our children better then NCLB it should be our say on how the money is spent. But NCLB probably made some private company rich and got nice fatty contracts, all at the same we ask ourselves, "Is our children learning" lol.

Also the war on drugs would free up so much energy and resources. The money is still "there" they are just no longer fighting drugs with it. So these people can be trained in other things and using money and resources for positive gains, not for the suppressing of people. Yeah we need big changes cause we are in big shit.
The life/money spared and saved from just the war on drugs and the war on terrorism should be enough to want to vote for Ron. Regardless of other issues, the life of many Americans and foreign people are FUCKED today because of the war on drugs/terrorism.

I love Noam, very smart guy, and what he said about that stuff is accurate.
Ron should pick a leftist like him or Dennis Kucinich for VP. I think the very left and very right can equal out to what we need.

[paintpooper]

Come on Rev. I answered your question in a rational way, no hate mail. Lets continue the discussion. You must be too busy reading about Ron Paul and realizing its the only way to go in 2012

[Jaysyn]

Could 70 billion be allotted much better, for sure. How about college education for all US citizens. Its our tax dollars, if we think college would educate our children better then NCLB it should be our say on how the money is spent. But NCLB probably made some private company rich and got nice fatty contracts, all at the same we ask ourselves, "Is our children learning" lol.

That money would instead go into the various newly created State Depts. of Education. You're not going to get it back, & you're only going to have a tiny bit more control over where it goes than you do now. It would also more than likely put my state, Florida, as well as Nevada into the unwanted position of having to start collecting a state income tax.

And don't give me any of that flat tax bullshit. It looks like a great idea till you do the math & then you realize why NeoCons have such a hard-on for it.

[paintpooper]

Could 70 billion be allotted much better, for sure. How about college education for all US citizens. Its our tax dollars, if we think college would educate our children better then NCLB it should be our say on how the money is spent. But NCLB probably made some private company rich and got nice fatty contracts, all at the same we ask ourselves, "Is our children learning" lol.

That money would instead go into the various newly created State Depts. of Education. You're not going to get it back, & you're only going to have a tiny bit more control over where it goes than you do now. It would also more than likely put my state, Florida, as well as Nevada into the unwanted position of having to start collecting a state income tax.

And don't give me any of that flat tax bullshit. It looks like a great idea till you do the math & then you realize why NeoCons have such a hard-on for it.

States have their own education departments already. You need to look at the much larger scale. I think the fed education just sets curriculum for state levels and things of that nature. So what can the 70 billion be doing????? If only 5000 employees, do the math. So why such a large budget, if our children are not learning any better, somethings fucky.

No flat tax. Tax goods and services, not income. Luxury items, perhaps even some sort of VAT system.

[Minimalist]

No flat tax. Tax goods and services, not income. Luxury items, perhaps even some sort of VAT system.

When I was in London in 1996 our guide was doing a bit of discussion about the VAT and how the proponents gave exactly that line of shit out when it was proposed.

They now have the VAT AND an income tax. So blow your VAT out your ass.

No matter how you slice it, it is still a sales tax which hits the poor harder than the rich. Why do you think rich cocksuckers are in favor of it. Stop being so naive, Poop.

[8BitAtheist]

You know, I find myself asking What in the fuck is wrong with you, early in the morning whilst reading news or hearing of something extraordinarily insane. I think I shall add it as my morning greeting and just ask one, "What the fuck is wrong with you?" , and just assume they have problems. It is beginning to seem that there are lots.


So, Mr. Santoracunt, may I ask you, What the fuck is wrong with you? I wouldn't be sad if you were to drop off into obscurity or oblivion, to be honest.