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Across Atlantic Ice
#11
RE: Across Atlantic Ice
Style of stone tools suggests, but does not prove cultural contact. It is one piece of evidence. A hypothesis may be born of a single piece of suggestive evidence. But to be taken as working theory, it needs support of the proponderance of all available evidence, or better still, conclusive evidence.

The fact that a hypothesis hypothesize something which by its nature leave little or no evidence can't be used to excuse the absence of evidence in its own support. A theory involving something that is intrinsically hard to prove is just as weak as one which involves something theoretically easy to prove but for which proof is not forthcoming.
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#12
RE: Across Atlantic Ice
Actually, the Clovis first argument is slowly being repealed. There are an increasing number of sites and other evidence (such as DNA analysis) being found that are pre-Clovis and don't contain anything resembling Clovis technology. Bruce Bradley has been foremost among those who have been arguing this for nearly the past ten years. Here is an article you folks might be interested in:

http://www.ele.net/art_folsom/pre-clovis...is2004.htm
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#13
RE: Across Atlantic Ice
Some other interesting information

http://australianmuseum.net.au/image/Bon...tone-tools

http://australianmuseum.net.au/Hominin-tools
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#14
RE: Across Atlantic Ice
(February 2, 2012 at 11:05 pm)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Some other interesting information

http://australianmuseum.net.au/image/Bon...tone-tools

http://australianmuseum.net.au/Hominin-tools
One of the pics in your link reminded me of the axe mom dug up in her garden this year.

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#15
RE: Across Atlantic Ice
Quote:A hypothesis may be born of a single piece of suggestive evidence.

Yet that evidence cannot be ignored because it is inconvenient, which is what the Clovis-First club tries to do with every site that is uncovered.

Meadowcroft, in Pennsylvania; Topper in South Carolina; and lately a carved bone of a mammoth/mastodon in Florida have emerged to annoy the Clovis-Firsters. Add in various sites in Mexico and South America and a picture begins to emerge. There are far more Clovis and pre-Clovis sites in the East than there are in the West.

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#16
RE: Across Atlantic Ice
COOL!!!

I am thinking that this whole stone tools thing was something generally found by humanity all over... I haven't read why Clovis stone tools are so different from any others yet
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#17
RE: Across Atlantic Ice
I have found Native American arrowheads in my dirt driveway. Big Grin I live right on a fresh body of water, so I'm in a good spot for finding that stuff. The problem is that the nieces and nephews now constantly dig up holes in the driveways stating that that they are looking for artifacts. Facepalm
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#18
RE: Across Atlantic Ice
Here's a site with some good photography of Clovis points, Kich.

Note the technique to make the edges and also the point is bi-facial which means it is worked on both sides and typically is fluted for hafting on both sides. These people were superb stone workers.

http://www.goodsearch.com/Image.aspx?img...&type=jpeg
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#19
RE: Across Atlantic Ice
Thanks Min...but these are for sale and I already have a friend who works the 'Clovis style' of stone tools. It just might be his site you found.
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#20
RE: Across Atlantic Ice
(February 3, 2012 at 12:05 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Thanks Min...but these are for sale and I already have a friend who works the 'Clovis style' of stone tools. It just might be his site you found.

Just going for the style, Kich. Although there are plenty of museum quality pieces online if you want to look.

Contrast that with the Levallois technique of the Neanderthal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levallois_technique
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