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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
February 16, 2012 at 8:22 pm
(February 16, 2012 at 8:07 pm)Pendragon Wrote: (February 16, 2012 at 6:52 pm)Undeceived Wrote: God can terminate lives because He made them in the first place. They are acts of judgment. If a judge sentenced a murderer to death, would you then arrest the judge? We've violated God's law, and the punishment is death. He is not being unnecessarily malicious or cruel. He simply carried out judgment so it could be written in the Bible and we could learn from it.
(February 16, 2012 at 6:45 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: I guess you forgot about all those pedophile priests.
Studies have shown that the percentage of priest child molesters is actually lower than the percentage of molesters in the normal population. Priest estimates run from .2% - 2% while the normal population is 1% - 5%. These are speculations of undiscovered offenders. Only 55 (.12% of) priests have been actually exposed as abusers (not just accused) while there are 705,000 registered sexual offenders in the US. It is very sad what they do, but it's also shameful of the media to cast all priests in a negative light based on so few instances.
So few instances? Hundreds of Millions of dollars in lawsuits won around the world by those raped?
The problem though was not the pedo/priests, one should always expect a few in every group, but the response from the church when they knew what the pedo/priests were doing.
The Church PROTECTED them! And sent them to new parishes in different states, sometimes different countries, to molest anew. The US gov should have used the same tools used busting international crime rings, but cowardly enough, did not.
Get real! The Catholic Church is an international crime organization.
I agree..the conduct of the Catholic church is reprehensible and should be repudiated in the strongest terms. The people who protected pedaphiles should be in prison.
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
February 16, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Quote:God can terminate lives because He made them in the first place.
Well Fuck him.
(And all his asshole followers!)
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
February 16, 2012 at 8:26 pm
(This post was last modified: February 16, 2012 at 8:29 pm by Oldandeasilyconfused.)
Quote:Studies have shown that the percentage of priest child molesters is actually lower than the percentage of molesters in the normal population. Priest estimates run from .2% - 2% while the normal population is 1% - 5%. These are speculations of undiscovered offenders. Only 55 (.12% of) priests have been actually exposed as abusers (not just accused) while there are 705,000 registered sexual offenders in the US. It is very sad what they do, but it's also shameful of the media to cast all priests in a negative light based on so few instances.
The statistics are meaningless.
Child molestation was endemic in the Catholic church. The church protected pedophile priests (and the church itself,above its flock) AS A MATTER OF POLICY.It continues to protect itself at the expense of the victims.
The basis of church behaviour is the entrenched official position that canon law trumps civil law. One of the other egregious examples of that attitude is the claim of the ABSOLUTE right to privacy of the confessional. Priests who claim that right in defiance of civil law should be charged and put in prison,as should any bishop or Pope, in my opinion..
PS No Christian church is in a position of being able to cast stones as far as I can see.
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Reference: "The Case Of The Pope" Geoffrey Robertson QC.
Quote:THE CASE OF THE POPE delivers a devastating indictment of the way the Vatican has run a secret legal system that shields paedophile priests from criminal trial around the world.
Is the Pope morally or legally responsible for the negligence that has allowed so many terrible crimes to go unpunished? Should he and his seat of power, the Holy See, continue to enjoy an immunity that places them above the law?
Geoffrey Robertson QC, a distinguished human rights lawyer and judge, evinces a deep respect for the good works of Catholics and their church. But, he argues, unless Pope Benedict XVI can divest himself of the beguilements of statehood and devotion to obsolescent canon law, the Vatican will remain a serious enemy to the advance of human rights.
http://www.penguin.co.uk/nf/Book/BookDis...96,00.html
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
February 16, 2012 at 10:35 pm
(February 16, 2012 at 5:46 pm)Forsaken Wrote: (February 16, 2012 at 5:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: Because we are Christians we're to be perfect, by who's book.
The Bible!
The Bible states we're to try and live a life like the life Christ, key word here is try, no one is perfect nor can they be except through our savior. So it is Christ who is perfect not us.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
February 16, 2012 at 10:37 pm
That only happens on Discworld G-C
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
February 16, 2012 at 10:43 pm
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Quote:So it is Christ who is perfect not us.
Ah, one of the basic paradoxes of Christianity:
Christians claim Jesus was God AND man.
However,if he was perfect he was not a man,as men are imperfect by definition . If he was imperfect, he was not God,as God is perfect by definition. 
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
February 16, 2012 at 10:51 pm
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(February 16, 2012 at 10:43 pm)padraic Wrote: Quote:So it is Christ who is perfect not us.
Ah, one of the basic paradoxes of Christianity:
Christians claim Jesus was God AND man.
However,if he was perfect he was not a man,as men are imperfect by definition . If he was imperfect, he was not God,as God is perfect by definition.
Man is imperfect because of the inheritance of our corrupt natures. Jesus was born without a sin nature. So he was a perfect man, being born without sin, and having lived a sinless life.
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
February 16, 2012 at 10:58 pm
OK, the Sabbath is a Saturday. It even says so in the Bible. It says Jesus was raised the day FOLLOWING the Sabbath. The entire Christian faith, Catholic and Protestant and all other flavors, have forgotten the Sabbath and don't keep it holy. Ergo, you don't keep the 10 Commandments.
So stop posting them everywhere!
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
February 16, 2012 at 10:59 pm
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(February 16, 2012 at 10:58 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: OK, the Sabbath is a Saturday. It even says so in the Bible. It says Jesus was raised the day FOLLOWING the Sabbath. The entire Christian faith, Catholic and Protestant and all other flavors, have forgotten the Sabbath and don't keep it holy. Ergo, you don't keep the 10 Commandments.
So stop posting them everywhere!
The original commandment for the Sabbath is found in Genesis and only says to keep the Sabbath holy, no day is mentioned. I do not know of any mention of Sabbath worship until the Exodus, I could be wrong do not have the time to read Genesis at this time. Why should we quit putting up good morals to help inspire people.
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
February 16, 2012 at 11:37 pm
(February 16, 2012 at 10:58 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: OK, the Sabbath is a Saturday. It even says so in the Bible. It says Jesus was raised the day FOLLOWING the Sabbath. The entire Christian faith, Catholic and Protestant and all other flavors, have forgotten the Sabbath and don't keep it holy. Ergo, you don't keep the 10 Commandments.
So stop posting them everywhere!
Remembering the sabbath means putting a day aside to worship God. Christians changed that day to honor everything the old testament led up to-- Jesus' resurrection. Jesus himself repeatedly told the pharisees the sabbath was only a day, and that following all the legalistic laws isn't what should be the focus. The Ten Commandments is about abstaining from bad things and doing good instead. Love God and love your neighbor, Jesus said. The sabbath is about loving God. God does not create trivial laws just to test us. Worshiping on a different day is being trivial. If we love the Creator and other people we will naturally follow the Ten Commandments.
Yes, DeistPaladin, we don't keep the 10 Commandments. Since hate is a kind of murder, lust is a kind of adultery, and materialism is a kind of idol, we probably have broken every one... and often. That's why we're Christian, because we're saved by Jesus' sacrifice. We don't need to follow any commandments, but we try to out of love and gratitude.
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