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The Manhattan Declaration.
25th February 2012, 12:49
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The Manhattan Declaration.
Read this and spot the lies, mistruths and myths.

Quote:In Europe, Christians challenged the divine claims of kings and successfully fought to establish the rule of law and balance of governmental powers, which made modern democracy possible. And in America, Christian women stood at the vanguard of the suffrage movement. The great civil rights crusades of the 1950s and 60s were led by Christians claiming the Scriptures and asserting the glory of the image of God in every human being regardless of race, religion, age or class.

http://manhattandeclaration.org/the-decl.../read.aspx

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25th February 2012, 13:06
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The Manhattan Declaration.
Can I throw up now?
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25th February 2012, 13:49 (This post was last modified: 25th February 2012 15:47 by Rhythm.)
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RE: The Manhattan Declaration.
I made it all the way up to the "we hate teh gayz" bit and couldn't get any farther. Always the same shit with these people. Can't even write an uplifting personal fluff job without throwing in a little bigotry can we?
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25th February 2012, 15:05
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RE: The Manhattan Declaration.
Quote:The great civil rights crusades of the 1950s and 60s were led by Christians claiming the Scriptures and asserting the glory of the image of God in every human being regardless of race, religion, age or class.
Well, technically this part is correct; granted, they are underestimating the role that people like Malcolm X played in the movement, who were Muslims (at least in name only), but more importantly, this completely disregards the many, many people who claimed the scriptures and asserted that it meant that non-whites weren't deserving of the glory of God.
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25th February 2012, 17:28 (This post was last modified: 25th February 2012 18:00 by reverendjeremiah.)
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RE: The Manhattan Declaration.
Did you get that from Conservapedia? They claim that the civil rights movement was led by fundamentalist Conservative Christians against the racist liberals who wished to keep segregation going.

Not that lies like this should be shocking, since apparently racism is coming back into popularity in a big big way.

Might as well let them re-write history.
That and apparently either the idiots at conservapedia finally spontaneously combusted...or someone hacked the shit out of them:

http://conservapedia.com/
Quote:After the barbarian tribes overran Europe

Barbarian? My ancestors were no barbarians...FUCK THEM for suggesting such a thing!

They brought together the germanic cheifs under a banner of peace, and then when they showed up the Christians murdered them, chopping their heads off, then cutting down the sacred tree in front of everyone..and WE are the barbarians?

And whats this "fighting slavery" shit? If it werent for the old and new testament, slavery would NEVER have had such a hold in western civilization.

Quote:We call upon all people of goodwill, believers and non-believers alike, to consider carefully and reflect critically on the issues we here address as we, with St. Paul, commend this appeal to everyone's conscience in the sight of God.
Oh crap..there are getting behind the non-believers...watch out for the knife in the back!

Quote:While the whole scope of Christian moral concern, including a special concern for the poor and vulnerable, claims our attention, we are especially troubled that in our nation today the lives of the unborn, the disabled, and the elderly are severely threatened;
Stop lying. If you had a problem with the poor then you would get rid of capitalism...but you dont want that do you. You WANT the poor to continue existing so you can look all high and mighty when you hand them scraps of food like dogs begging under your table.

Quote:In this declaration we affirm: 1) the profound, inherent, and equal dignity of every human being as a creature fashioned in the very image of God, possessing inherent rights of equal dignity and life; 2) marriage as a conjugal union of man and woman, ordained by God from the creation, and historically understood by believers and non-believers alike, to be the most basic institution in society and; 3) religious liberty, which is grounded in the character of God, the example of Christ, and the inherent freedom and dignity of human beings created in the divine image.

Im suprised Tiberius hasnt signed onto this declaration...this is the kind of arguments that tiberius subscribes to.

Quote:Although public sentiment has moved in a pro-life direction, we note with sadness that pro- abortion ideology prevails today in our government. Many in the present administration want to make abortions legal at any stage of fetal development, and want to provide abortions at taxpayer expense. Majorities in both houses of Congress hold pro-abortion views. The Supreme Court, whose infamous 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade stripped the unborn of legal protection, continues to treat elective abortion as a fundamental constitutional right, though it has upheld as constitutionally permissible some limited restrictions on abortion.

Somewhere, Tiberius is reading this and thinking "These guys are so correct. They have the logical arguments! Im with them!
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25th February 2012, 18:08 (This post was last modified: 25th February 2012 18:09 by Rhythm.)
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RE: The Manhattan Declaration.
(25th February 2012 17:28)reverendjeremiah Wrote:  Oh crap..there are getting behind the non-believers...watch out for the knife in the back!

Quoted for truth. No smile conceals more fangs in such an open manner than that of a believer offering to stand behind a heretic. If I turned around and the faithful many were standing behind me, I'd be sniffing the wind for the smell of smoldering posts and burning hay. Have they ever turned down an attempt to focus their efforts inward after vanquishing the outward "enemies of the faith"?
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25th February 2012, 18:12
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RE: The Manhattan Declaration.
What the hell does 'image of God' mean?

No matter how many times theists or writers vomit up that particular quote it still doesn't make any damn sense.
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25th February 2012, 18:14
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RE: The Manhattan Declaration.
They think so highly of themselves that their own image has somehow become a model for a generalization of what god must be. They just like to reorder the subjects in the statement so that they don't sound like complete assholes (at some point they must have noticed that they did).
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25th February 2012, 19:08
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RE: The Manhattan Declaration.
(25th February 2012 18:08)Rhythm Wrote:  
(25th February 2012 17:28)reverendjeremiah Wrote:  Oh crap..there are getting behind the non-believers...watch out for the knife in the back!

Quoted for truth. No smile conceals more fangs in such an open manner than that of a believer offering to stand behind a heretic. If I turned around and the faithful many were standing behind me, I'd be sniffing the wind for the smell of smoldering posts and burning hay. Have they ever turned down an attempt to focus their efforts inward after vanquishing the outward "enemies of the faith"?

If they did no such thing then clearly they would be gong against their historic tradition.

I have a book called "Holy horrors", and it showed a patern...one that might sound familiar to you.

#1 - Demonize plurality. This way you can bring together many like minded people who are willing to see everyone else as the enemy.

#2 - Once you get enough people into a group you pick on the smallest minority. Usually the jew. Place them in ghettos and make them where badges of shame.

#3 - Once this has happened it is all down hill. The pogrom was the test. If the leader of this group is capable of getting the masses to ghetto the minority then he knows he can profit madly from his new army. An army system is now being built and paraded in the streets. They are patriots and true believers in Christ. Some of the possessions, and most especially land, of the minorities have been confiscated in secret to help fund the army. This is the gray inbetween stage when they set their sites on other lands.

#4 - Once a goal has been set, you must demonize the fuck out of them before you invade. You must also find a way to equate your enemy with those in the ghettos. IT's Pogrom time! Before you cleanse the outer lands of the infidel, you must first cleanse the mother land. Wipe out everyone in the ghettos, man woman and child. Everything is taken from them to fund the cause.

#5 - Its off to war!

#6 - Get your ass handed to you because you oppose plurality. without plurality you are incapable of gaining enough warriors to keep up with the massive invasions you keep doing. Other countries take anyone and anybody into their deffense.

#7 - Get conquered and have all your dirty laundry aired out. Other countries come in and try to makeyou their economic slave.

#8 - People in your country tire of being economically manipulated...return to #1.
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26th February 2012, 03:26
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RE: The Manhattan Declaration.
(25th February 2012 17:28)reverendjeremiah Wrote:  Did you get that from Conservapedia? They claim that the civil rights movement was led by fundamentalist Conservative Christians against the racist liberals who wished to keep segregation going.

Not that lies like this should be shocking, since apparently racism is coming back into popularity in a big big way.

Might as well let them re-write history.
That and apparently either the idiots at conservapedia finally spontaneously combusted...or someone hacked the shit out of them:

http://conservapedia.com/
Quote:After the barbarian tribes overran Europe

Barbarian? My ancestors were no barbarians...FUCK THEM for suggesting such a thing!

They brought together the germanic cheifs under a banner of peace, and then when they showed up the Christians murdered them, chopping their heads off, then cutting down the sacred tree in front of everyone..and WE are the barbarians?

And whats this "fighting slavery" shit? If it werent for the old and new testament, slavery would NEVER have had such a hold in western civilization.

Quote:We call upon all people of goodwill, believers and non-believers alike, to consider carefully and reflect critically on the issues we here address as we, with St. Paul, commend this appeal to everyone's conscience in the sight of God.
Oh crap..there are getting behind the non-believers...watch out for the knife in the back!

Quote:While the whole scope of Christian moral concern, including a special concern for the poor and vulnerable, claims our attention, we are especially troubled that in our nation today the lives of the unborn, the disabled, and the elderly are severely threatened;
Stop lying. If you had a problem with the poor then you would get rid of capitalism...but you dont want that do you. You WANT the poor to continue existing so you can look all high and mighty when you hand them scraps of food like dogs begging under your table.

Quote:In this declaration we affirm: 1) the profound, inherent, and equal dignity of every human being as a creature fashioned in the very image of God, possessing inherent rights of equal dignity and life; 2) marriage as a conjugal union of man and woman, ordained by God from the creation, and historically understood by believers and non-believers alike, to be the most basic institution in society and; 3) religious liberty, which is grounded in the character of God, the example of Christ, and the inherent freedom and dignity of human beings created in the divine image.

Im suprised Tiberius hasnt signed onto this declaration...this is the kind of arguments that tiberius subscribes to.

Quote:Although public sentiment has moved in a pro-life direction, we note with sadness that pro- abortion ideology prevails today in our government. Many in the present administration want to make abortions legal at any stage of fetal development, and want to provide abortions at taxpayer expense. Majorities in both houses of Congress hold pro-abortion views. The Supreme Court, whose infamous 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade stripped the unborn of legal protection, continues to treat elective abortion as a fundamental constitutional right, though it has upheld as constitutionally permissible some limited restrictions on abortion.

Somewhere, Tiberius is reading this and thinking "These guys are so correct. They have the logical arguments! Im with them!

How is it that being associated with barbarians bothers you, you believe you came from an ape, do you not.
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