Bible contradictions?

[downbeatplumb]

All you need to know is the bible is lies from the first to the last pages, just one long badly written fairy tale.

[chi pan]

(7th March 2012 19:37)downbeatplumb Wrote:  

(7th March 2012 19:27)chipan Wrote:  All those are explained in my link. But of course, you did not click it.

No they werent did YOU click it?

No 14 for your first claim of God being a man of war and peace. No 65 for your second claim about Joseph's father. 108 for your third point about Christ being equal to/ less than God. Your last one may not be in there but it's clear those quotes were of him on the cross not in any specified order. Who doesn't read? Go ahead and read those for your other answers.

[Minimalist]

(7th March 2012 19:22)chipan Wrote:  

(7th March 2012 19:17)Minimalist Wrote:  

Quote:If it had so many they would have been caught hundreds of years ago by those why study and memorize the bible

And when they were caught jesus freaks like you burned them at the stake for heresy.

Your bible is a fucking joke, chippy. Too bad you can't light the bonfires anymore.

Quote:“To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin.”
Cardinal Bellarmine 1542-1621

Oh do you have a contradiction? Or just a lame comment. If you have a contradiction, please bring it forward. Your point is worthless without evidence.

There are entire websites devoted to bible contradictions. Jesus freaks trot out the old "context" argument, pat themselves on the back and tell themselves that everything is all right.

Who the fuck do you think you are trying to fool?

[picto90]

Have a look at this

http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Atheism/I...roject.png

Feel free to browse through it.

I will list one of them for you to argue,

How should non-believers be treated?

Deut 13:6-10

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

2 Corinthians 6 14-17

14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[a]? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.”

17 Therefore,

“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.”

Leviticus 9:18

18 He slaughtered the ox and the ram as the fellowship offering for the people. His sons handed him the blood, and he splashed it against the sides of the altar.

Matthew 4:44

But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven

Matthew 22:39

39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

Mark 12:31

31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[a] There is no commandment greater than these.”

Luke 6:27

27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,

At this point I grow tired, as there are many more... please read at your own leisure.

[chi pan]

(7th March 2012 19:37)Voltair Wrote:  One of the biggest inconsistencies I have noticed within scripture is the character and actions of God.

The God of the Old Testament is very warrior/tribal like in his actions. Many of his solutions to his people's problems and many of his punishments involve death, very brutal death at times, of mass numbers of people. I believe in one day he killed 30,000 of his own people and there are numerous accounts where whole cities are wiped out. The God of the Old Testament is represented as patient yet extremely wrathful and prone to lashing out.

However the God of the New Testament is much more tame and to the point of almost never manifesting his power outside of miraculous works through Jesus, the apostles, etc. God's character goes from killing 30,000 people and ordering his followers to slaughter their enemies even down to the infants to love and forgiveness. It goes far enough to essentially choose death over violent rebellion. This is a huge flip in character not only for God but for what he wants his people to do as well.

One of the biggest contradictions however has to deal with the idea of sin and punishment for sin aka Hell. The Bible says that God desires no man to perish but all to come to repentance. However God never had to allow any man to perish in the flames of Hell because the only one who had the power to create Hell was God himself. In fact the only one who decides whether or not you go to Heaven or Hell, in the end, is God/Jesus anyway. If God had to create Hell then he is not all powerful because something greater than him obligated him to do so. To simply say it was God's nature that required him to create Hell is not provable.

You may counter with that God had to create Hell because he is by nature a just God. No God did not have to create Hell because the assumption is that eternal punishment for temporal acts is just. I would say it is quite unjust from the perspective of cruel and unusual punishment. God's eternal punishment does not fit the crime of temporary acts. In addition to this the things that can send one to eternal torment are not really things that cause great harm but things he just does not like. Most people probably wouldn't have a problem with cereal rapists/killers/psychopaths etc going to Hell. After all they would view this as evil but in God's eyes a homosexual is just as bad as the above.

Perhaps you would counter by saying well God's wisdom is above man's wisdom. Rather the wisdom of God is foolishness to man. However that feels like it is often a statement of "I know this doesn't make sense but I am going to give up understanding it and just give deference to God". You can do that but it avoids thinking through the issue and taking certain things to what appears to be their logical conclusion. Hell is not necessary and God did not have to create it. Due to this God CHOSE to create Hell and therefore CHOOSES to send people there. Kind of funny that he didn't want anyone to perish... he could have solved THAT at the beginning of time as we know it.

Now onto the idea of sin itself. What is sin? Sin I believe is defined as "missing the mark" or whatnot at least I keep hearing that from someone. Who set the target/mark up though in the first place? This again falls onto God. So the whole idea of sin in the first place, there needing to be punishment for sin, etc is all the responsibility of God. Saying that God is a just being by nature doesn't change the fact that he MADE UP the rules HE wanted to enforce. Unless you are going to argue there is some moral standard that God is obligated to then he INVENTED what was right and wrong. God could have therefore ultimately chosen to create a universe where Hell/punishment for sin did not exist.

As far as man being out of control with that idea I am going to go ahead and tell you that without God I am not "out of control". I find value in moral standards for a different reason then fear of punishment + the lure of reward. God also is directly responsible for the nature of man. You say it is simple free will that caused us to be so rebellious? God created man with his inherit nature and apparently God knew man was going to fall.

Lets say for the sake of argument though that for whatever reason God had to create Hell/punishment in the way that it is now. If God knew that most of mankind would inevitably be punished and if, for whatever reason, God was not powerful enough to STOP that he should have never made man in the first place. God's desire for companionship/love/worship should not have caused him to create a situation where MOST of his creation gets to suffer forever while he enjoys the company of the few. That would be EXTREMELY selfish and contradict the idea of all loving.

There was an early Christian who recognized the inconsistencies between the Old and New Testament God's named Marcion I believe. He formed a group known as the Marcionites who believes that the two representations of God were actually TWO DIFFERENT Gods with the New Testament God being the stronger God.

In short I believe that the Bible has a major contradiction with the portrayal of God:

1. God is all loving yet seeks what he wants aka his own glory/praise and worship. He also is willing to create/setup a situation where many suffer so he can enjoy the good pleasurable company of a few of his chosen.

2. God is prone to outbursts and mass killings + the orderings of genocides in the Old Testament. Yet this God is also seen as all loving?

3. God wants no man to perish/go to Hell but is ultimately responsible for the system that causes this. God being all knowing/all powerful makes it unnecessary for the sin/Hell system to exist.

4. I didn't mention this earlier but, God in a sense sacrificed himself to satisfy his OWN wrath that he CHOSE to have. Why did he have to sacrifice to himself? That seems quite illogical, he could have made the decision himself. Again saying that it is just that there is sacrifice doesn't really make sense because you would have to prove that this is intrinsically true.

1. God wants us to love and obey him. We suffer when we disobey him because our actions have consiquences. The hot burner may cause pain when we touch it, but that does not mean he is responsible for the pain when he says don't do it. He does not enjoy our suffering.
2. God killed people in the old testament to establish Israel. They were all wicked and out of control and he arguably saved more lives doing this than doing nothing.
3. God made us with choice. Either to be a part of him or sin. When we choose sin, we are separated from all that comes from God because that is the consiquence. He loves you but that does not mean he will let you into his kingdom when you choose sin. Sin cannot be in his kingdom. The alternative is a place where nothing from God (everything good is from God) exists. This place is hell.
4. It may seam illogical for him to sacrifice himself, but that's how it had to be done. It shows his love for us and thus is consistant with his character.

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(7th March 2012 20:10)Minimalist Wrote:  

(7th March 2012 19:22)chipan Wrote:  

(7th March 2012 19:17)Minimalist Wrote:  

Quote:If it had so many they would have been caught hundreds of years ago by those why study and memorize the bible

And when they were caught jesus freaks like you burned them at the stake for heresy.

Your bible is a fucking joke, chippy. Too bad you can't light the bonfires anymore.

Quote:“To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin.”
Cardinal Bellarmine 1542-1621

Oh do you have a contradiction? Or just a lame comment. If you have a contradiction, please bring it forward. Your point is worthless without evidence.

There are entire websites devoted to bible contradictions. Jesus freaks trot out the old "context" argument, pat themselves on the back and tell themselves that everything is all right.

Who the fuck do you think you are trying to fool?

The examples are to show how shallow the atheists look to find contradictions which you cannot deny by what the examples were. I posted a site with 143 questions and answers if you're interested in that. What I say may be old, but it's also true. These passages have been answered one by one for decades. Not a single one stands unanswered.

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(7th March 2012 20:10)picto90 Wrote:  Have a look at this

http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Atheism/I...roject.png

Feel free to browse through it.

I will list one of them for you to argue,

How should non-believers be treated?

Deut 13:6-10

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

2 Corinthians 6 14-17

14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[a]? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.”

17 Therefore,

“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.”

Leviticus 9:18

18 He slaughtered the ox and the ram as the fellowship offering for the people. His sons handed him the blood, and he splashed it against the sides of the altar.

Matthew 4:44

But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven

Matthew 22:39

39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

Mark 12:31

31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[a] There is no commandment greater than these.”

Luke 6:27

27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,

At this point I grow tired, as there are many more... please read at your own leisure.

Deuteronomy says not to listen to false teachings, even if they are from a family member. Specifically for Israel at the time. 2 Corinthians says don't marry an unbeliever. Your animal sacrifice passage in lavidicus is not relavent. Like I said, the site I provided was specifically made to counter contradictions like these. The site I provided answers "contradictions" from 2 books.

[Minimalist]

Quote:What I say may be old,

No, what you say is apologetic horseshit. Do you understand the difference?

Xtians have twisted their scrotums into knots for centuries trying to explain away the contradiction between Matthew having "jesus" born while Herod the Great was alive and Luke having him born when P. Sulpicius Quirinius was governor of Syria. A minimum of 10 years separates these events. You wouldn't believe the bullshit you fools have come up with to explain away the contradiction.

Yet, it remains a contradiction because your bible is full of such idiotic bullshit.

I have previously explained the apologetic intent to come up with any excuse, no matter how fucking lame it may be, pronounce it sufficient to save their fucking bible from the dastardly atheists who insist on pointing out what it says, and move on to your next mental atrocity.

[picto90]

(7th March 2012 20:27)chipan Wrote:  Deuteronomy says not to listen to false teachings, even if they are from a family member. Specifically for Israel at the time. 2 Corinthians says don't marry an unbeliever. Your animal sacrifice passage in lavidicus is not relavent. Like I said, the site I provided was specifically made to counter contradictions like these. The site I provided answers "contradictions" from 2 books.

As I said, have a read through, there are thousands of contradictions listed on the link I gave you.

You're not giving me answers to the contradictions, you're simply choosing to interpret it in a different way. The bible is so open to interpretation it could mean just about anything, you're just choosing the meaning that suits you.

[Insanity x]

Holy shit christians be crazy!

[chi pan]

(7th March 2012 20:59)Minimalist Wrote:  

Quote:What I say may be old,

No, what you say is apologetic horseshit. Do you understand the difference?

Xtians have twisted their scrotums into knots for centuries trying to explain away the contradiction between Matthew having "jesus" born while Herod the Great was alive and Luke having him born when P. Sulpicius Quirinius was governor of Syria. A minimum of 10 years separates these events. You wouldn't believe the bullshit you fools have come up with to explain away the contradiction.

Yet, it remains a contradiction because your bible is full of such idiotic bullshit.

I have previously explained the apologetic intent to come up with any excuse, no matter how fucking lame it may be, pronounce it sufficient to save their fucking bible from the dastardly atheists who insist on pointing out what it says, and move on to your next mental atrocity.

No, you're wrong. You think that whenever you find something against the bible it's always right no matter how out of context the assumed contradiction is. The 2 examples I gave are not "Horseshit" but simply reasonable explanations.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%...w6JQbs1xDU

[Minimalist]

More like desperate.

There is a reason the church did not want people reading the bible. Too obviously full of holes so they do what St. Chippy is trying to do. Concoct their own interpretations and suppress any dissenting views.


Then that dickhead, Martin Luther, came along and told them to start reading the stupid thing.

Been pretty steadily downhill ever since!






Chippy, your an apologetic moron. You have no credibility whatsoever.