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The question that shatters faith, forever.
RE: The question that shatters faith, forever.
(March 22, 2012 at 8:15 pm)Drich Wrote: And you succumbing to your peers for fear of how the may perceive you is what?? Freedom?
You are a cast iron pot calling the kettle black.

I prefer dictionaries to 'perceive' what the term freedom is; and apply to me.

So to speak you can't go near the term indoctrinated (and using said dictionary) to apply doctrine. In a given sentence, where is that peer pressure?

Honey, you are truly young. Super indoctrinated not to know that is peer pressure.

(March 22, 2012 at 8:15 pm)Drich Wrote: Evidence is found in the full fillment of the promises made in the Bible.

And the book that has been translated over and over and over again. Which again is NOT I repeat not evidence!!

Bet you take any medications that are given to you even without a try out, recommendation by the bible is good enough for you hmm???

All knowing and powerful god would just let you take the chance with, arsenic and you would wake up refreshed? Bella Donna maybe?

(March 22, 2012 at 8:15 pm)Drich Wrote: If you total exposure to God was through the faith of others like priests and bishops I can sincerely see where your skepticism comes from.

Building an understanding of God through the faiths and beliefs of others (Even priests and bishops) is next to impossible. That would be like learning how to court and marry a woman from a book. Sure the manual may put you in the ball park, but that is along way from you scoring a game winning home run. If you want to know who God is, you must seek Him out yourself and not depend on "others" to do it for you. Otherwise at best, you will have set yourself up to be a spectator of Christianity and not a Christian.

It is an absolute answer. Slavery is not a sin there for it was not to be condemned.

Remember a sin is not based on popular morality, but God's unchanging Righteousness.

Well you got me there, reading the bible (all by myself) and asking questions and listening for a reasonable answer is and was a great lesson in futility, but at least I got it, it is futile there is no evidence to support the bible only one thing which is certainly not evidence and that is faith.

Yeah immorality. certainly trumps sleeping with someone that one loves even if this special someone is the same sex.

Which leads us to why is morality a higher authority than 'sin'? That the term sin was 'explained' in the bible which is considered a god law.

(March 22, 2012 at 8:15 pm)Drich Wrote: To whom the slave owner? the slave? The society the slave builds? or just to the self righteous?

Please tell me you are joking?!! Otherwise my opinion of you has dropped considerably.

Wow the rest is nonsense. Civilizations yes were built by slaves, but grab this one, Egypt - sweat and tears of slaves fell - Rome same - Good old Greece??

Our economy within the US is getting better from someone who would have been a slave in 'the good old days'.

Today, there are societies which attempt to abort behavior that is uncivilized.

The rest is twaddle pure and simple.

Actually, I did do a great deal of research on many philosophies, and religions, the one I prefer is Buddhism.

Incidentally, Hitler was a christian and if you were to do more reading, one being Mein Kemph -- christianity is mentioned over and over again.

Then in one of the last phrases from the Germans regarding Hitler -- they believed him to be a god send, and finally the land would be saved by a god fearing, and loving man.

PS have a few documents that provide evidence for this you should attempt before spitting out words that eventually (years to come) will most likely bite you in the behind.


(March 22, 2012 at 8:15 pm)Drich Wrote: Did you have any other questions about the bible or God?
Never more, at least since I grew up and realized being afraid is for children. By the by you have answered nothing as of yet, have yet to admit that evidence and faith are not the same.
(March 24, 2012 at 12:56 am)Minimalist Wrote: I would recommend reading some archaeology, Chad.

These tales which were written down reflect later realities. The "Israelites" are supposed to have fought with Arad, Edom and Moab but these states did not come into existence until the Arabian trade under the Assyrians in the 8th-7th centuries BC.

Joshua is supposed to have destroyed Ai and Jericho as part of his "campaign" but Ai was not occupied from the MBA to the Iron Age and even then it was a piddling shithole. Jericho was destroyed by an earthquake c 1,500 BC and, as archaeologist Bill Dever put it, "the real miracle of Joshua was that he destroyed a city that wasn't there."

Hazor and Bethel were destroyed in the 13th century. Dor and Megiddo in the 12th. Lachish has destruction layers in BOTH the 13th and 12th centuries!
Jerusalem, Debir and Hebron show no evidence of destruction at all.

The "Israelites" were directed to avoid the northern route where the Philistines were because their god...who had just allegedly kicked the Egyptian's asses...was too much of a pussy to save them from the Philistines. But the Philistines did not even arrive in the region until c 1150 BC as part of the Sea people migration and probably had a hand in some of the 12th century destuctions noted above.

This stuff never happened.

I recommend Dever's "Who were the early Israelites and where did they come from" ( Dever likes long titles!) or israel Finkelstein's "The Bible Unearthed."

I just love you Min. I personally like Finkelstein (but that's just me)
"Religion is comparable to Childhood neurosis" Sigmond Freud

"If one wishes to form a true estimate of the full grandeur of religion, one must keep in mind what it undertakes to do for men. It gives them information about the source and origin of the universe, it assures them of protection and final happiness amid the changing vicissitudes of life, and it guides their thoughts and motions by means of precepts which are backed by the whole force of its authority."

SIGMUND FREUD, New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis

"Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual desires."

SIGMUND FREUD, New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis

"Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck." George Carlin

"The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way of women's emancipation." Elizabeth Cady Stanton - American Suffragist (1815-1902)

"Who loves kitty" Robin Williams live on Broadway DVD

"You cannot petition the lord with prayer" Jim Morrison The Soft Parade.
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