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[mediamogul]

And u smart guys should know the DSM-IV recognizes said experiences as religious and not subject to any mental disorder.....

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And Phil no I've done the whole mmpi2 sha-bang, no such diagnosis

No it doesn't. I am a social worker getting my Masters in Clinical Social Work and am very familiar with the DSM-IV. It does not "recognize spiritual experiences" it states that serious religiosity may be associated with mental illness in the form of hearing voices, delusions, command hallucinations (auditory usually), etc... It speaks to "religious problems" but that is in relation to one being at odds with their family or cultures recieved religious practices or beliefs and the stress that tension can create. I posted the PTSD diagnostic criteria to clear up the PTSD question. Also, you asked a question about a supernatural experience on an atheists forum what did you think was going to happen? What are you looking for? Why even post at all?

[Handprint]

I have a "paranormal" story to relate. Everyone get out your popcorn and start munching.

Okay so,

I was 16, and my mom was studying Reiki. I went along with her, and i had a reiki session done on me. The girl who did it on me told me i left my body and went and stood in the corner while she did the session on me. Which i now take to mean she sensed i was uncomfortable. Although at the time I took her quite literally. Anyways, i get home, and, i notice this cold spot in my house, right next to the bookcase near the family computer. So, i put out my hand and test the air. The air is cold. I pull a chair up beneath the vent in the ceiling, and i raise my hand to it, checking to see if there's any cold air flow. There is none. Then I stick my hand behind the bookcase. No draft there.

I go back to the spot by the bookcase and i press my hand into the cold spot again. Then, i decide it's a ghost and that the ghost must need help! So i beckon to the cold air (ghost) to follow me. So it follows me. and, i take put a pen and paper, and "sense the energy", and, i (but i assumed at the time it was the ghost) write a few scraggly looking letters that make no sense. So i decide, that the ghost is messing with me so I stop. Then, i decide to go to bed for the night. Just as I am going to sleep, I feel something press on my bed, not pressing but more like a SHOVE of my matress. I freak out and sit up in bed, turn on the lamp near me. Then, i calm down, turn off the lamp and try to go back to sleep, but i feel the shove again, and what i could swear was a cold, soft breeze coming from beside my bed.

I didn't sleep that night. Or, if i did, i left my lamp on all night.

Anyways, this went on for weeks and weeks. Not being able to sleep, being woken up , feeling harassed by this entity which i had no control over. It was an exhausting experience.

During this time i also started talking to my guides, my spiritual guides. In my mind's eye they were dressed all in white and would follow me wherever I went. I also developed a tingling of my head at this time, it would tingle and tingle, warm and cold, and it would freak me out. But whenever it would tingle i would start talking to my guide or i would start to freak out if the tingling began to become cold, assuming it was either a ghost or a demon, and associating the cold sensation with death. I developed quite an inner world of talking to these beings or attempting to, asking them questions and then imagining that i felt pressure tilting my head left or right (left would be yes, right would be no). So i'd talk to them in Yeses and Nos.

This went on all summer. It greatly upset me. I didn't sleep much. I felt like I was going crazy. I was going crazy. I wouldn't watch any films with demons or any ghost hunting shows for fear my head would start tingling and then i'd attract a demon or ghost to me.

In short i totally flipped out that summer. It only stopped when i stopped ignoring everything. Whenever my head would tingle i stopped responding to it as though an entity were near me. I stopped looking at the chains on the cuckoo clock, watching them twirl about and assuming it was an entity doing it. I point-blank started to ignore everything because I just couldnt take it anymore.

The tingling continued nonstop on the crown of my head until i was 18. Nowadays I notice it only comes around when i cross my legs. I assume it has something to do with circulation.

Anyways: The cold drafts were just normal, you know? Someone opens a door in a part of the house, bam cold draft, and some parts of houses are warmer than others, no? Also, I realized that the randomness of the responses I was getting from the entities and beings was illogical. It made no sense, they never gave me accurate or full answers to anything, it was all coincidence. So yes, they never existed.

Ghost Hunting shows on TV are not real, they are entertainment and the equipment they use is bogus. There has not been one research study done that has documented the existence of ghosts and yet they capture "evidence" all the time. True evidence stands up to scientific scrutiny, it can be replicated and the methods of evidence collection are reliable and sound. None of these are true for Ghost Hunting.

Also, if i don't believe in God, then why believe in demons. *kicks demons away with this logic*

The nudging on my bed was caused by my dog twitching at night in his bed. I noticed that when he wasn't sleeping with me, there were no nudges.

The head tingling might be ASMR.

And that, is how i chased away crazy.

[Hunter9035]

Yeah the dsm does, want a page reference? I will look it up in the morning. And during my mmpi2 I mentioned this w a psychiatrist and they concurred said experience in religious context have no diagnosis. It just happens.

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Thank u Sophia for sharing I'm still reading it.....

[Handprint]

experience in religious context have no diagnosis. It just happens.

interesting. i didn't know that.

[Cyberman]

This is why I am not going to try to come up with explanations for any of this stuff, Hunter. Not that I think you're lying, necessarily, but it's a fruitless exercise for at least two reasons.

a - A personal experience is by definition subjective. Anyone else can only examine the facts as you present them; however, you may not be in possession of all the facts, or the facts as you understand them may not be what you think they are. It may even be that your recollection of events has been altered by the interpretation you've since ascribed to them. Again, I'm not saying you're a liar, this is not a personal attack.

b - Since this is clearly a profound and deeply-held experience for you, particularly in view of the significance you attach to it, much of what anyone may be able to offer explanations for are likely to be rationalised away. You've already shown this by your dismissal of mental illness.

If it makes you feel special or whatever, fine, go for it. Just understand that, while your experience - whatever the actual truth of it, if any - may be convincing to you, it doesn't automatically follow that anyone else must be convinced by it.

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And I wrote all that without any swearing, mocking or anger. Go me.

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God says drugs are bad for you.
Therefore, get off the drugs, fucking sinner.

[Hunter9035]

K whatever I'm going to sleep now

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K whatever I'm going to sleep now

Goodnight! See you in a few more minutes. It's hard to sleep knowing that people full of evil and hatred are still awake.

Hey God. Fuck You

[Faith No More]

Nevermind you guys if you're not going to accept there were no drugs involved and I have no mental illness etc it's no use talking about it.

Wait...what? What did I miss?

[Norfolk And Chance]

If you look at my post you will see I quoted her original post.