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Dilemma for theists!
#31
RE: Dilemma for theists!
Aye Phil, and the obvious dilemma for Muslims?

Free pork sandwiches.

*sigh* I hate Saturdays, my head is always empty...
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#32
RE: Dilemma for theists!
(March 24, 2012 at 7:53 am)Welsh cake Wrote: I hate Saturdays, my head is always empty...

Here, let me fill it with a kudos.

You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.

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#33
RE: Dilemma for theists!
(March 22, 2012 at 1:06 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Simple question that's just occurred to me.. Just for theists!!

Would you give up a guaranteed place in heaven to save the souls of a 1000 atheists?

If you say no then you would not be judged or punished and be allowed into heaven anyway.

That would never happen because everyone goes to Heaven, even the most horrid as they will immediately realize their sins being freed from their damaged brain, but they will still have learned a valuable lesson having lived the life they did. The other place is empty if it exists at all!
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#34
RE: Dilemma for theists!
(March 22, 2012 at 4:18 pm)Rayaan Wrote:
(March 22, 2012 at 1:06 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Would you give up a guaranteed place in heaven to save the souls of a 1000 atheists?

No.

Edit: I would only answer yes if doing so doesn't guarantee myself a place in heaven nor hell (i.e. no afterlife), OR if it guarantees that I go to heaven, but not if I go to hell.

Good point. Theists are willing to sacrifice hugely in this life but only for the sake of getting into heaven. Hell they might even take out a bunch of people to get into heaven. Abraham would give up a son to buy his ticket. But why should they give up their place in heaven to get in a bunch of us who really wouldn't want to go to there even if it existed? It wouldn't be for our sake, we don't care. It wouldn't please God if we're not willing to join the chorus singing His praises. And it sure wouldn't please the Christian to think about what he gave up as he is tortured in Hell for the rest of eternity. A proper analysis of the problem yields the decision: screw us, keep your own ticket.
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#35
RE: Dilemma for theists!
(March 24, 2012 at 8:13 am)Bueller Wrote: That would never happen because everyone goes to Heaven, even the most horrid as they will immediately realize their sins being freed from their damaged brain, but they will still have learned a valuable lesson having lived the life they did. The other place is empty if it exists at all!

So we are free to sin as much as we like, kill, murder, maim, and it'd be alright because we'd realise how wrong we were in heaven?

WTF doesn't even come close to my opinion here.
Self-authenticating private evidence is useless, because it is indistinguishable from the illusion of it. ― Kel, Kelosophy Blog

If you’re going to watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo. That show was so cool because every time there’s a church with a ghoul, or a ghost in a school. They looked beneath the mask and what was inside?
The f**king janitor or the dude who runs the waterslide. Throughout history every mystery. Ever solved has turned out to be. Not Magic.
― Tim Minchin, Storm
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#36
RE: Dilemma for theists!
(March 24, 2012 at 8:39 am)NoMoreFaith Wrote:
(March 24, 2012 at 8:13 am)Bueller Wrote: That would never happen because everyone goes to Heaven, even the most horrid as they will immediately realize their sins being freed from their damaged brain, but they will still have learned a valuable lesson having lived the life they did. The other place is empty if it exists at all!

So we are free to sin as much as we like, kill, murder, maim, and it'd be alright because we'd realise how wrong we were in heaven?

WTF doesn't even come close to my opinion here.

Yes. But the fact that you don't do that (unless you do) proves how close you are to God without knowing it.
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#37
RE: Dilemma for theists!
(March 24, 2012 at 8:41 am)Bueller Wrote: Yes. But the fact that you don't do that (unless you do) proves how close you are to God without knowing it.

How about you post an introduction in the introduction thread before we tear your poorly considered philosophy on absolute vs relative morality apart Big Grin
Self-authenticating private evidence is useless, because it is indistinguishable from the illusion of it. ― Kel, Kelosophy Blog

If you’re going to watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo. That show was so cool because every time there’s a church with a ghoul, or a ghost in a school. They looked beneath the mask and what was inside?
The f**king janitor or the dude who runs the waterslide. Throughout history every mystery. Ever solved has turned out to be. Not Magic.
― Tim Minchin, Storm
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#38
RE: Dilemma for theists!
(March 24, 2012 at 8:44 am)NoMoreFaith Wrote:
(March 24, 2012 at 8:41 am)Bueller Wrote: Yes. But the fact that you don't do that (unless you do) proves how close you are to God without knowing it.

How about you post an introduction in the introduction thread before we tear your poorly considered philosophy on absolute vs relative morality apart Big Grin

How can I resist such an attractive and beautifully proposed invitation Heart
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#39
RE: Dilemma for theists!
(March 24, 2012 at 8:46 am)Bueller Wrote: How can I resist such an attractive and beautifully proposed invitation Heart

It would be the polite thing to do after all. Smile Rather than running headlong into a conversation without an introduction.
Self-authenticating private evidence is useless, because it is indistinguishable from the illusion of it. ― Kel, Kelosophy Blog

If you’re going to watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo. That show was so cool because every time there’s a church with a ghoul, or a ghost in a school. They looked beneath the mask and what was inside?
The f**king janitor or the dude who runs the waterslide. Throughout history every mystery. Ever solved has turned out to be. Not Magic.
― Tim Minchin, Storm
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#40
RE: Dilemma for theists!
(March 24, 2012 at 8:39 am)NoMoreFaith Wrote: So we are free to sin as much as we like, kill, murder, maim, and it'd be alright because we'd realise how wrong we were in heaven?

WTF doesn't even come close to my opinion here.
Wouldn't feeling like crap negate the point of heaven as well?

This Universalistic way of thinking is as tedious and convoluted as watching the bloody Care Bears...
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