Suicide

[Shell B]

(13th April 2012 03:24)R-e-n-n-a-t Wrote:  Then be concerned.

No. The OP did not state they were looking for ways to kill themselves.

Quote:People ask questions like this. I met a person on EP who intended to find a painless way to kill himself with this question.

If he was really going to do it, he would find that way whether people responded or not. People who are going to commit suicide don't cry for help, typically. People who are thinking about it and are scared they might . . . do. That is not to say that a person won't cry for help and then later commit suicide, but more to say that the responses here are not catalysts. It is out of line to treat the people in this thread like suicide mongers. There was a question about how people here would kill themselves and people gave answers.

Quote:Just because you haven't seen something, don't think it doesn't happen.

No kidding? And just because someone says "suicide" doesn't mean you have to get all mother hen about it.

Quote:(insert subtle allusion to my "male-rape" reply here)

It's not subtle when you just come out and say it, just like it isn't sexism just because we are talking about one sex. I'll be sure to write diatribes about both sides of the coin from now on, so I'm not viewed as any "ist" that does not apply to me.

For the record, I don't see you doing anything but chastising people in this thread. I posted a link to a suicide hotline and made it clear that I would talk to anyone who needed help and I mean that. So, simmer down, word police and try to be objective.

[Minimalist]

Tell your wife that her jeans make her ass look fat.

[Shell B]

(13th April 2012 04:23)SophiaGrace Wrote:  Well, i moderate a suicide forum and we discourage talk of methods there. So, yeah, this is where my reaction is coming from.

That is likely so obsessive people do not dwell on the images those words provoke. That experience is not evidence that talk of methods will drive one to suicide. Life and chemical imbalances drive people to suicide. Again, people can find a method anywhere. They don't need help to find it.

[RaphielDrake]

If anyones trying to work up the courage to top themselves right now then have I the video for you! :-)

[R-e-n-n-a-t]

I like how ShellB just goes off about things she doesn't understand. If you read the rest of my post, or, more disturbingly, perhaps you did and still posted that asinine comment, you'd see that I've considered suicide. As previously stated, I almost asked a question very similar to this. Don't even think you can try to tell me that 'anyone who asks about it isn't serious', and don't think you're fit to judge the OP. In all likelihood this post was nothing but an "entertaining" diversion, but we need to assume that the 1% chance is correct, and that suicide is seriously being considered.

Clearly you have issues with reading entire posts, as I recommended a puppy, which, not coincidentally, was one of the reasons I'm here to type this.

[Faith No More]

People do ask questions like this as a cry for help, and just because a determined person will commit suicide regardless, that doesn't mean we shouldn't at least make an effort when something like this that could be a warning pops up. So to the OP, if this isn't meant to be completely humurous, get some help.

My intial reaction that this was a 'stupid fucking question' stemmed from the fact that I just recently was dealing with the anniversary of the day I found my friend's freshly deceased body after he killed himself. I am, however, a big advocate of making light of even the most difficult situations in life, so in an effort to keep true to that and to attempt to gain some cartharsis I will play this hypothetical 'what if' game...

After one failed suicide attempt I think next time I would go with drug overdose.

Reminder: I am not advocating anything as I feel I must clarify, because as SophiaGrace alluded to, many people in the mental health community don't even like to broach this subject let alone make light of it. I must also reiterate to the OP that if there is any hint of seriousness in this post that there are plenty of people like myself out there who will listen and try to help with these problems.

[RaphielDrake]

(13th April 2012 06:15)R-e-n-n-a-t Wrote:  I like how ShellB just goes off about things she doesn't understand. If you read the rest of my post, or, more disturbingly, perhaps you did and still posted that asinine comment, you'd see that I've considered suicide. As previously stated, I almost asked a question very similar to this. Don't even think you can try to tell me that anyone who asks isn't serious, and don't think you're fit to judge this post. In all likelihood this post was nothing but an "entertaining" diversion, but we need to assume that the 1% chance is correct, and that suicide was seriously considered.

Clearly you have issues with reading entire posts, as I recommended a puppy, which, not coincidentally, was one of the reasons I'm here to type this.

To be fair Rennat, I've considered it also and I've never posted on a forum asking people whats the best way to kill myself. I mean theres google, wikipedia, you name it. That information is *easy* to get hold of. The only logical assumption is that the intention isn't to gain that information but to gain sympathy and attention which should be gained through conversation, not threats of suicide.
Not that I'm knocking what you're saying, its very thoughtful you took it seriously but I honestly don't think theres anything to be concerned about.

[Shell B]

(13th April 2012 06:15)R-e-n-n-a-t Wrote:  I like how ShellB just goes off about things she doesn't understand. If you read the rest of my post, or, more disturbingly, perhaps you did and still posted that asinine comment, you'd see that I've considered suicide.

Ah, I get what is happening here. Silly.

Anyway . . . I did. You have considered suicide. Wow, you and fucking everyone else. It sucks, doesn't it? So does just about everything else. Without a sense of humor or some sort of detachment, you'll go nuts eventually. I suggest you acquire one or the other.

Quote:As previously stated, I almost asked a question very similar to this.

And you're still here, thus proving my point. Glad of it, by the way. I hope you never go through it again.

Quote:Don't even think you can try to tell me that anyone who asks isn't serious, and don't think you're fit to judge this post.

Of course. You know me so well. I'm not fit at all. You're the only person in the world with issues and everyone must assume the absolute worst because that is what you are doing. Wonderful. Well, when the OP even hints as much, I'll assume something. Until then, I'll try not to be neurotic.

Quote:In all likelihood this post was nothing but an "entertaining" diversion, but we need to assume that the 1% chance is correct, and that suicide was seriously considered.

We don't need to assume anything. The OP did not suggest at all that he was considering suicide. When he does, I'll change my tune.

Quote:Clearly you have issues with reading entire posts, as I recommended a puppy, which, not coincidentally, was one of the reasons I'm here to type this.

Clearly you have issues with understanding the scope of even your own suffering. I laughed when you suggested a puppy, figuring you couldn't be serious. "I want to kill myself." "Get a puppy." I don't ever want to mock anyone's thoughts of suicide, so I'm going to refrain from commenting on the depth of yours, but I must say clinically depressed people need more than a damn puppy and a puppy certainly does not need a person who may not be able to care for them.

[Faith No More]

RaphielDrake Wrote:To be fair Rennat, I've considered it also and I've never posted on a forum asking people whats the best way to kill myself. I mean theres google, wikipedia, you name it. That information is *easy* to get hold of. The only logical assumption is that the intention isn't to gain that information but to gain sympathy and attention which should be gained through conversation, not threats of suicide.
Not that I'm knocking what you're saying, its very thoughtful you took it seriously but I honestly don't think theres anything to be concerned about.

You're missing his point though. People don't ask questions like this to gain information, nor are they meant to be threats. They can be thinly veiled efforts to see if someone, anyone out there will listen. Saying one should gain sympathy through conversation is assuming that anyone considering suicide is thinking rationally, which most of the time they are not. Sometimes people contemplating suicide just want to know someone is listening.

[R-e-n-n-a-t]

(13th April 2012 06:23)Shell B Wrote:  Clearly you have issues with understanding the scope of even your own suffering. I laughed when you suggested a puppy, figuring you couldn't be serious. "I want to kill myself." "Get a puppy." I don't ever want to mock anyone's thoughts of suicide, so I'm going to refrain from commenting on the depth of yours, but I must say clinically depressed people need more than a damn puppy and a puppy certainly does not need a person who may not be able to care for them.

The point was not the dog itself, it was the knowledge that it, which I love, would likely be lonely and afraid if I was to die for any reason. I thought that was fairly obvious. For your information, I'm now on medication and classified as clinically depressed despite your ignorant claims to the contrary, so stfu. I can't stand animals suffering, so I'm sorry if that's not a good enough reason for the mighty ShellB to validate my posts.

To the rest of it, FaithNoMore said it well.

To the OP, I'm sorry for helping to derail your thread, but I hope that my heated responses in your defense, suicidal or not, are proof that people do care and know what you're going through. Assuming of course that you actually were serious when posting.