Fine Tuning Argument

[Gooders1002]

(5th May 2012 19:59)libalchris Wrote:  In other words, the reason that the universe can only support life when fine-tuned, is because god made it that way.

No because that's not what is happening, I am speaking from a self-destructing creationised view point, thus there god is powerless and there argument is crushed, but the universe does not work like that and life has adapted to the earth which is far from fine tuned.

[libalchris]

(5th May 2012 20:38)Gooders1002 Wrote:  

(5th May 2012 19:59)libalchris Wrote:  In other words, the reason that the universe can only support life when fine-tuned, is because god made it that way.

No because that's not what is happening, I am speaking from a self-destructing creationised view point, thus there god is powerless and there argument is crushed, but the universe does not work like that and life has adapted to the earth which is far from fine tuned.

Ahh, I believe I see what's happening here. I'm referring specifically to the laws of physics. Only an idiot would say that the earth is fine-tuned for life, when it is clearly not overall, and life evolved to fit the earth, not the other way around.
The laws of physics are a little more difficult to deal with however, but the argument ultimately fails under scrutiny, and there are many ways to defeat it. My original post is just one of those ways.

I do agree, however, that the universe is far from being "fine-tuned" for life. Rather, it is just capable of supporting life (even if that is improbable.) It is especially far from being fine-tuned by the standards of an all-powerful god.

[Gooders1002]

(5th May 2012 20:44)libalchris Wrote:  

(5th May 2012 20:38)Gooders1002 Wrote:  No because that's not what is happening, I am speaking from a self-destructing creationised view point, thus there god is powerless and there argument is crushed, but the universe does not work like that and life has adapted to the earth which is far from fine tuned.

Ahh, I believe I see what's happening here. I'm referring specifically to the laws of physics. Only an idiot would say that the earth is fine-tuned for life, when it is clearly not overall, and life evolved to fit the earth, not the other way around.
The laws of physics are a little more difficult to deal with however, but the argument ultimately fails under scrutiny, and there are many ways to defeat it. My original post is just one of those ways.

I do agree, however, that the universe is far from being "fine-tuned" for life. Rather, it is just capable of supporting life (even if that is improbable.) It is especially far from being fine-tuned by the standards of an all-powerful god.

Honestly how many creationist have the brain power to debunk it, you could use it as a starter and a warm up for them to start questioning there own faith, if they can debunk this and you you deliberative incurage more debunking it could in theory debunk there own religion, Al thought knowing them I will back fire and close there mind even more.

[Phil]

(5th May 2012 19:08)Gooders1002 Wrote:  a architect is constrained by gravity.

Correction. Some architects are constrained by gravity and reality yet here is one who is not.

[Gooders1002]

(6th May 2012 01:58)Phil Wrote:  

(5th May 2012 19:08)Gooders1002 Wrote:  a architect is constrained by gravity.

Correction. Some architects are constrained by gravity and reality yet here is one who is not.

ok ok smart ass