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RE: Climate catastrophe isn't so certain
May 14, 2012 at 6:46 am
(May 12, 2012 at 7:03 am)Rhythm Wrote: A centuries worth of people aware of an increase in deadly cyclones and no reaction by engineers and architects? Give us a little credit. Climate change, yes. Climateapocalypse, no.
In fact, there has been plenty of reaction by engineers. Those levees around New Orleans didn't build themselves.
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RE: Climate catastrophe isn't so certain
May 14, 2012 at 3:07 pm
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(May 14, 2012 at 6:46 am)orogenicman Wrote: (May 12, 2012 at 7:03 am)Rhythm Wrote: A centuries worth of people aware of an increase in deadly cyclones and no reaction by engineers and architects? Give us a little credit. Climate change, yes. Climateapocalypse, no.
In fact, there has been plenty of reaction by engineers. Those levees around New Orleans didn't build themselves.
The suprebly adaquate levees in Irrawaddy delta where 200,000+ people drowned in 2008 didn't built themselves, not did anyone else build them.
As to the levees in New Orlean, they didn't build themselves. But were they adaquately built, as is perfectly possible with 1950 technology, to withstand the consequences of a Katrina like storm, also amply predicted back in 1960s?
(May 14, 2012 at 1:15 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Also have a look at rainfall. India gets heaps and has the highest arable land.
India has at least has conquerored famine since the British left. So added rainfall and prosumably increased food production probably won't reduce the background casaulty.
But what about added casaulty? Added rain fall to India in the 21st century will comes from the monsoon in Indian ocean, and much of the monsoon rain arrives by cyclones. 5 cyclones in the drier 20th century already killed 100,000 people each. As yet there seem to be nothing like adaquate plans to protect the Northern Indian ocean basin against the sort of monsoon seen in the drier 20th century. What is additional casualty to be expected from India's more bountiful rainfall?
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RE: Climate catastrophe isn't so certain
May 14, 2012 at 7:31 pm
(May 10, 2012 at 2:31 am)Welsh cake Wrote: The scientific maverick James Lovelock says climate catastrophe is not so certain as he previously suggested. A move applauded by sceptics, who argue that the certainties of climate science have been exaggerated, but one that will also infuriate mainstream climate scientists, who have been striving to quantify those uncertainties.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17988492
I personally don't know where I stand with Dr Lovelock, for every single argument he makes that I agree with, he'll make another statement that I completely disagree with.
If it's not certain, we should make it certain.
Maybe that will force others to change, eh?
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RE: Climate catastrophe isn't so certain
May 14, 2012 at 7:47 pm
(May 10, 2012 at 2:31 am)Welsh cake Wrote: The scientific maverick James Lovelock says climate catastrophe is not so certain as he previously suggested. A move applauded by sceptics, who argue that the certainties of climate science have been exaggerated, but one that will also infuriate mainstream climate scientists, who have been striving to quantify those uncertainties.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17988492
I personally don't know where I stand with Dr Lovelock, for every single argument he makes that I agree with, he'll make another statement that I completely disagree with.
If the earth is getting hotter, which it is, as are other planets, it's because of the sun, which goes through cycles. It's nothing new. There's very little that humans can do to make any difference which is why I don't believe the hype about human caused climate change.
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RE: Climate catastrophe isn't so certain
May 15, 2012 at 12:17 am
(May 14, 2012 at 7:47 pm)michrelvoik Wrote: If the earth is getting hotter, which it is, as are other planets, it's because of the sun, which goes through cycles. It's nothing new.
Is it?
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-ac...arming.htm
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RE: Climate catastrophe isn't so certain
May 15, 2012 at 12:40 am
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(May 15, 2012 at 12:17 am)popeyespappy Wrote: (May 14, 2012 at 7:47 pm)michrelvoik Wrote: If the earth is getting hotter, which it is, as are other planets, it's because of the sun, which goes through cycles. It's nothing new.
Is it?
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-ac...arming.htm
This is from four years ago...do we have anything recent?
Sorry my bad...go to page 20 of comments for more recent information and opinion....
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RE: Climate catastrophe isn't so certain
May 15, 2012 at 9:51 am
Skeptical Science is a good site. I like it because many of the articles provide references to peer reviewed publications relevant to specific topics. The discussions in the comment section are often vigorous, detailed and provide insight into both sides of the issue.
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RE: Climate catastrophe isn't so certain
May 15, 2012 at 11:19 am
They have a debunking handbook. Which I found very amusing.
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RE: Climate catastrophe isn't so certain
May 15, 2012 at 11:49 am
(May 15, 2012 at 11:19 am)michrelvoik Wrote: They have a debunking handbook. Which I found very amusing. Judging from your previous post you should probably read it.
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RE: Climate catastrophe isn't so certain
May 15, 2012 at 11:51 am
(May 15, 2012 at 11:49 am)popeyespappy Wrote: (May 15, 2012 at 11:19 am)michrelvoik Wrote: They have a debunking handbook. Which I found very amusing. Judging from your previous post you should probably read it.
Oh right, so you believe the man made climate change bollocks do ya?
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