I never said the universe is static. The universe is all things, including time. There can not be a reality without existence and the universe is existence. There cannot be a 'before existence'.
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May 19, 2012 at 1:30 pm
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(May 19, 2012 at 12:02 pm)Paul the Human Wrote: I never said the universe is static. The universe is all things, including time. There can not be a reality without existence and the universe is existence. There cannot be a 'before existence'. The universe as it exists now....you seem to be stuck on the Ancient Greek view of the universe or maybe a pre-astronomical, philosophical view of the universe.
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
The beginning of the universe dosent matter... how, why or when. but for the most part we understand its current state and that there was an exspantion event .. beyond that its mostly speculation but even if we knew nothing and said I DONT KNOW.... that still leaves us with the Universe being DEMONSTERABLE and god being umm... well ... NOT. So saying some undemonsterable (is that a fuckn word?) entity created it is just fuckn redonkulous. So once you get to the point that you dont know .. the answer is I DONT KNOW... not god did it.... And the fucktards that claim he is out side of space and time now they have a second thing to demonstrate what or where and evedence of outside space and time AND god..... But its just like a theist to solve a mystery with a mystery... DERKA DERRR THEY TOOKED OUR JOBS..............
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 I cant help it I'm a Kudos whore. P.S. Jesus is a MYTH.
 (May 19, 2012 at 8:37 am)Paul the Human Wrote: It seems like a lot of people have trouble comprehending that there is no such thing as "before the universe". There is, and has always been, everything. The observable expansion of the universe (everything) suggests that everything once occupied a single point... and 'everything' includes time. By definition, there can be no before. Everything is everything. There can be no nothing. Doesn't the 'bubble universes' hypothesis claim that space & time exist as some sort of 'in potentia' framework in which 'bubbles' of universe form through whatever functions 'cause' the expansion of a universe (e.g big bang)? Or am I talking gibberish?
Sum ergo sum
 (May 21, 2012 at 4:37 pm)Ben Davis Wrote:(May 19, 2012 at 8:37 am)Paul the Human Wrote: It seems like a lot of people have trouble comprehending that there is no such thing as "before the universe". There is, and has always been, everything. The observable expansion of the universe (everything) suggests that everything once occupied a single point... and 'everything' includes time. By definition, there can be no before. Everything is everything. There can be no nothing. Not gibberish. It sounds like one of a few multiverse theories, although one of the least plausible of the mainstream. (May 21, 2012 at 4:37 pm)Ben Davis Wrote:(May 19, 2012 at 8:37 am)Paul the Human Wrote: It seems like a lot of people have trouble comprehending that there is no such thing as "before the universe". There is, and has always been, everything. The observable expansion of the universe (everything) suggests that everything once occupied a single point... and 'everything' includes time. By definition, there can be no before. Everything is everything. There can be no nothing. Well. Before the discovery of the affect of dark energy on the expansion of the universe, there was growing support for the collapsing universe theory. One universe is born, expands, and then collapses under its own gravitation forces much like a star; then another universe and then another and another etc. follow the same pattern. For the theory you posted, that is in the realm of string theory and is untestable given our current lack of understanding on the dynamics between the macro and the microcosmic worlds.
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
It's awesome that the reason we exist is because things can exist for no reason. I just love that. I really wish I knew why it worked like that. But I'd probably explode if I could comprehend it.
(May 23, 2012 at 1:58 am)Adjusted Sanity Wrote: It's awesome that the reason we exist is because things can exist for no reason. I just love that. I really wish I knew why it worked like that. But I'd probably explode if I could comprehend it. Yeah. Both sides take the easy explanation.
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
 
If God really did exist, it would be necessary to kill it.
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