Dinosaurs and Man

[Ace Otana]

"For animals around the planet to migrate to the ark..."

Pangea was pre-flood. There was water under the crust, the crust cracked, and under great pressure, the water shot up like a fountain all over the world. Soon after, the continents were formed.

Okay, hotshot. Many animals have a specialized diet. Please tell me where Noah obtained the eucalyptus leaves he would need to feed the koala bears. And, of course, these must be FRESH eucalyptus leaves. Dried out leaves wouldn't do. Did he have a eucalyptus tree on the ark? If so, where did he get it? Especially since eucalyptus trees are only found in Australia...

'god works in mysterious ways'

[Epimethean]

I think he gave them all Lembas.

[Cyberman]

If during the creation the earth was close to a black hole then scientificly it would work.

Wow - that's a keeper!

Ten minutes later...

Ok, now I've stopped laughing somewhat and managed to wipe the tears from my cheeks:

I realise that you are trying to sell the idea that, since time runs differently in regions of extreme gravity, therefore the Earth could have been made in the six days that are written in the story. Do you realise that a black hole's gravitational effects are exactly equal to that of the star, or equivalent body, from which it formed? You only run into the problems of extreme gravity associated with black holes once you pass the event horizon which equates to the former surface of the star. Outside of that, it's as if there was an ordinary star there.

So here are the problems. To postulate a black hole in the vicinity of the Earth is to postulate a second star in the Solar System, with all the attendant effects on planetary orbits that would entail. I've just spent half an hour modelling just such a scenario, using a beautiful piece of kit called Universe Sandbox; there is no physical way of placing an object with the mass of a star anywhere near the Earth without catastrophic disruption of the whole System. Even if we start with two stars, form the planets etc, then remove the second object to get back to what we observe today, the effects on the orbits would be catastrophic. And we're not talking centuries or millennia for these effects to play out; the Solar System would be no more than an expanding mass of rogue planets headed out in different directions into the Universe within days.

However, to get the sort of effects with time that you're after, we need to be inside your black hole's event horizon, which as I said above would be below the former surface of the star. This would be exactly as bad as it sounds. The tidal effects of the gravity difference between the part of the Earth's surface closest to the hole's centre and that part which is furthest away would, in astonishingly short order, tear the planet apart, in the most literal sense.

You have so many more problems with the word "scientifically" than just the spelling.

[Anomalocaris]

If during the creation the earth was close to a black hole then scientificly it would work. Technically there is one source, realisticly they are two different sources, the light reflected by the moon would forever be lost to the earth if the moon did not reflect the light.

Earth was not created either by, or near, any moral and intellectual black hole called the christian god. Get over it.

[Cyberman]

"The other problem is that the ark cannot float..."

Noah's Ark had the greatest proportions for any ship built in history, 30:5:3. It very much did float.

Here's a little something to chew on. Why do you suppose Ken Ham (spit) is building his "Ark Encounter" recreation on dry land?

[Autumnlicious]

If during the creation the earth was close to a black hole then scientificly it would work. Technically there is one source, realisticly they are two different sources, the light reflected by the moon would forever be lost to the earth if the moon did not reflect the light.

'Scientifically' and 'realistically' are not two words I would choose to describe a planetary body either undergoing a hyperbolic trajectory or being caught near or within the event horizon of a black hole.

I believe you're looking for "Absurdity" and "Fantastically" with a side helping of delusion.

Tell me, are you certified in Art Major Physics? Because you seem cut out for it.
REF: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Ma...jorPhysics

[Cyberman]

Near an event horizon wouldn't be much of a problem, as long as you're moving quickly enough and on a path that would take you across it as opposed to into it. You would simply slingshot around. (Of course, it depends on how near is near). Within the event horizon - now you're in trouble.

[Angrboda]

"For animals around the planet to migrate to the ark..."

Pangea was pre-flood. There was water under the crust, the crust cracked, and under great pressure, the water shot up like a fountain all over the world. Soon after, the continents were formed.

Okay, hotshot. Many animals have a specialized diet. Please tell me where Noah obtained the eucalyptus leaves he would need to feed the koala bears. And, of course, these must be FRESH eucalyptus leaves. Dried out leaves wouldn't do. Did he have a eucalyptus tree on the ark? If so, where did he get it? Especially since eucalyptus trees are only found in Australia...

Answer: Magicoalas.



Take that! nasty icky pooty icky icky poo poo, atheist scientists!

[Faith No More]

I think you know I wasn't talking about two different sciences. I've tried to present science here before, yet no one would look at it, actually I presented it twice, and the second time resulted in the same insults to very intelligent people. So maybe now you see what I mean about "your science".

Your 'science' wasn't rejected because of any undue prejudice, nor was it rejected out of fear that there could be even an ounce of credibility to the genesis creation account. It was rejected, because it was complete nonsense.

[Jackalope]

If during the creation the earth was close to a black hole then scientificly it would work. Technically there is one source, realisticly they are two different sources, the light reflected by the moon would forever be lost to the earth if the moon did not reflect the light.

'Scientifically' and 'realistically' are not two words I would choose to describe a planetary body either undergoing a hyperbolic trajectory or being caught near or within the event horizon of a black hole.

Indeed. One would be better off sticking with "Goddidit".

GC, this is why these sorts of hypotheses are not taken seriously. They only appear plausible to those who are ignorant on the subject, and to those who have even a basic understanding, the claim can be dismantled with little effort.