Healthcare

[Annik]

Unfortunately, America is such a polarized (politically... Well, in most things, really) country, that any bill offered up by a liberal is considered socialist, as painted by the media. Fox News is famous for spreading misinformation, but there are millions that take it at face-value. It's ignorance, greed and obsessive nationalism that is exacerbating the issue. I don't quite understand why my fellow Americans don't like the bill, but these are the same Americans that think that tax-cut for the cut-throat rich will somehow make them better off.

Want nice things, America? Raise taxes on the rich dramatically, legalize and regulate marijuana, and re-evaluate the defense budget. They we could afford health care for all.

I can't stand that we're willing to bankrupt the sick and poor.

[Jackalope]

There is NO SUCH THING AS A LOW SKILL JOB! There are simply people who make more and make less. What is easy to one person will be hard to another.

This has to be one of the dumbest fucking things I've seen said in awhile. Because you know, the guy waving around sign on the corner for the shitty pizza place down the street needs the same level of skills, education, and experience as a neurosurgeon.

But hey, don't let me get in the way of another one of your tangental rants.

[Jquik26]

It's funny because Japan arguably has the best healthcare system and a quote from PBS states "One secret to Japan's success? By law, everyone must buy health insurance -- either through an employer or a community plan -- and, unlike in the U.S., insurers cannot turn down a patient for a pre-existing illness, nor are they allowed to make a profit."

Of course the "unlike in the U.S." part was referring to pre-ObamaCare. ObamaCare is verbatim how they described Japan's system.

ref: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/.../#morelink

[Whateverist]

When my cousin (who thinks it's the best thing ever that her church got a Starbucks in it) posted a picture of Jesus holding the constitution, I couldn't resist reminding her the Roe vs. Wade is a part of the constitution now. She argued that vehemently. It was hilarious. Then she told me that if she had it her way, my children and I would never see a doctor again, exclaiming that only Americans deserve to see doctors, and that I am not American because I "hate god and want to kill babies".

Have they found a brain donor for your cousin yet?

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I don't know what it means to be an American. I think I'd be happier to be one if my fellow citizens weren't married to their insanity. I believe in reason, personally. I'll will and do stand up for that as much as possible. If that makes me "Un-American", then fuck America.

That's an interesting point to me, because I, of course, have no idea what being american means. In Germany people don't identify with their country. Patriotism is, more or less, a taboo (I guess, I don't have to explain why).
(A bit off topic, I know)

To healthcare:
What has changed (or will change) now or how was it before the reform?
I seriously can't imagine how it's like to have no health-insurance. Was it possible to refuse patients for doctors in a hospital? Did you get a bill after you've been there?
I really have no clue.

No we just make them go around to the emergency ward where their care will cost 20 times more and gum up the works for those with real emergencies.

You are so lucky to be post-patriotism. In the US, talking heads look right into the camera and shamelessly speak of "american exceptionalism" as if they were talking about "divine right". We are so fucked.

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There is NO SUCH THING AS A LOW SKILL JOB! There are simply people who make more and make less. What is easy to one person will be hard to another.

This has to be one of the dumbest fucking things I've seen said in awhile. Because you know, the guy waving around sign on the corner for the shitty pizza place down the street needs the same level of skills, education, and experience as a neurosurgeon.

But hey, don't let me get in the way of another one of your tangental rants.

Yep. One thing to appreciate the person who does the shit work for you. Another thing to pretend that shit work is just as intellectually demanding as jobs requiring knowledge, skill and judgment. Part of what makes shit work shitty is how little it challenges you. Hurrah that some are willing to do it and there is nobility in any work. But some jobs are mind numbing.

[jackman]

audio starts out bad, but this is apparently what obama felt about the ruling ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&featur...AnPcu3usN0

[Metonymie]

You are so lucky to be post-patriotism.

I think so too.
By the way, is this your dog in the picture and if so, is it a border-collie?

Fox News is famous for spreading misinformation

Is Fox News the one with this Bill O'Reilly? I've seen him once or twice.

[KichigaiNeko]

America..."Fuck Yeah" laughing stock of the entire fucking planet...sorry guys But it is so.

[Tiberius]

Yeah I've never understood why free healthcare is so bizarre to some Americans? How can free healthcare be anything but a good thing :S

...because it's not actually free? Anyone who earns enough to be taxed knows the cost of "free" healthcare.

[frankiej]

Is Fox News the one with this Bill O'Reilly? I've seen him once or twice.

Yes. The bad thing is that Bill isn't even close to being the worst person on Fox... I'm really glad I don't live in America.

[Anomalocaris]

As a european (german) I don't get the problems with healthcare in the U.S.

Can someone explain to me why so many americans are against it and on what base ?

An article about it:
http://www.achgut.com/dadgdx/index.php/d...obamacare/

Well let's look at america's begining, we started a war cuz some peeps taxed our tea. We endorsed slavery because it makes good money. We wiped out the native americans just for land alone. We supported the german military industry before both world wars.

I think it's pretty clear we just want our money.

Until Reagan, then we just want to spend other people's money, and pray to a non-Chinese god that those damned chinese commies won't ever want their money back.

As the chief proponent of the alleged virtues of unrestricted capitalism, we somehow contrive to become dependent on essentially permanent financing by self proclaimed communists.

Oh, the irony.