The Irrational Nature Of Atheism - An Explanation Of God, Gods And Goddesses

[genkaus]

(4th July 2012 17:44)CliveStaples Wrote:  Then you're making an even worse argument. A book about God can't be used to prove God? That's like saying you can't use a math book to prove math, or you can't use a genetics textbook to prove evolution.

That is, actually, correct. No one uses a math textbook to prove math r a genetics textbook to prove evolution - they use it to learn about those subjects, once they are proven independently.

(4th July 2012 17:44)CliveStaples Wrote:  Now, you can't say, "The Bible says God exists, so therefore God exists", because then you're assuming the Bible is true, which isn't a valid assumption in this setting. But suppose that the Bible actually contained a fantastic, valid, completely true and convincing argument that God existed. Would you reject this argument merely because it is located in the pages of the Bible?

The question is moot because the bible does not contain such a "fantastic, valid, completely true and convincing argument".

[Minimalist]

Quote:CliveStaples Wrote: Then you're making an even worse argument. A book about God can't be used to prove God?

Oh, fuck...where have we seen this before.

Oh, right.

[Stimbo]

(4th July 2012 17:44)CliveStaples Wrote:  A book about God can't be used to prove God?

No more than this



can be used to prove the Force.

[Minimalist]

Poor Clive....I'm sure he cannot grasp that in "The Communist Manifesto" communism works perfectly!

[cato123]

(4th July 2012 21:20)The Theist Wrote:  Its just a word applied as a title to anyone or anything mighty or venerated in as much that it is attributed a might greater than the beholder.

This is a shockingly accurate description of my cock. Get on your knees and worship so that I may cum unto you.

[Mister Agenda]

(4th July 2012 18:15)The Theist Wrote:  I disagree. You do need it. If you are going to post in a public forum on the subject of God as an atheist, which is completely stupid in the first place, then you can expect to be called out and re-instructed from time to time until all of the theists are banned from doing so.

We don't ban for theism, we ban for stupid.

[jerNYC]

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Nice. I've made one of these before, except mine isn't as flashy (I have limited Photoshop skills). And mine just illustrates the circular reasoning behind the inductive argument for God.


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[Opsnyder]

So fucking what?
Even if there is a god you STILL need to prove that the bible is written by him.
Now show the proof motherfucker.

[RaphielDrake]

(4th July 2012 17:28)CliveStaples Wrote:  

(4th July 2012 17:10)Skepsis Wrote:  Oh Noez!!
Bible quotez!!
My eyes! Arrrrrrggh!!

Yeah, but seriously? Throw your holy book out. It proves God like my copy of Hansel and Grettel proves witchs.

This is the laziest counterargument I've ever seen. It's just a slightly-rephrased version of "The Bible isn't true", which is just as lazy an argument as saying "The Bible is true". And it's just as convincing.

That statement implies there was a legitimate argument to be countered.

[JohnDG]

First of all there are only three things you need to know to disprove god.

God is all knowing, God is all loving, God is all powerful.

If god is all knowing, than the notion of free will, good and evil can be thrown out the window because god knows everything that has happend, is happening, and is going to happen. You think god designed child molesters knowing what they were going to do, and hates them for it?

If god is all loving, why does he kill more people in the bible than the devil? Why do countless people get raped, slaughtered and tortured? If he is all loving he should help right? because he is all powerful, and he knows exactly what is happening to you.

If god is all powerful, why doesn't he stop the bad things? He knows what's happening past, present, future. He is all loving, so his heart should break each time and he should rescue them. If he is all powerful, why create inperfect beings? Why have people born with mental or physical ailments? Why doesn't he fix the crazy people?

I remember you said something about a perfect being, but he cannot have emotions and be perfect, emotions are what make us imperfect and we are created in his image. So best to say he is just like us, imperfect, not caring, limited in power and knowledge. Because he fucked up somewhere when he made us and cannot or will not fix it. lol