Nicholas Roerich (for the love of God)

[cato123]

(6th July 2012 21:18)Ionovaryeh Wrote:  "Epic fail"? How old are you? I like that. And if you want to get so personal as knowing my name, what have you been through or seen that beseeches you to negate the idea of the existence of a higher spiritual /quantum entity against the fact that 90% of the world's population consists in some form of religion or spiritualism?

The number of believers says nothing about the veracity of the claim; absolutely nothing. If six billion people tomorrow claimed belief in sentient talking tomatoes, would you then believe based on this or would you require a demonstration?

(6th July 2012 21:18)Ionovaryeh Wrote:  In any case, do you understand anything about the nature of the spiritual realm? Or the existence of occult, and/or satanist groups that permeate world governments (otherwise known as Masons and Freemasons (as was George Washington))? Do you understand anything about voodoo, magick, or alchemy? What DO you understand, my "athiest" peer?

I know that there are people that believe in supernatural ideas, but this doesn't equate to the supernatural existing.

Satanist groups permeating world governments? Great. It is bad enough contending with people anticipating the return of Jesus Christ, now I am forced to deal with people awaiting the return of Lord Blackwood.

[Rhythm]

(6th July 2012 20:39)CliveStaples Wrote:  Clever. I always thought the only way I'd become an atheist would be to stop using my brain.

You may be onto something, faulty design, piss-poor manufacturing, and a complete and utter lack of tech support. Hell, the users manual is thousands of years old and written in a foreign language.

[Ionovaryeh]

(6th July 2012 21:47)cato123 Wrote:  

(6th July 2012 21:18)Ionovaryeh Wrote:  "Epic fail"? How old are you? I like that. And if you want to get so personal as knowing my name, what have you been through or seen that beseeches you to negate the idea of the existence of a higher spiritual /quantum entity against the fact that 90% of the world's population consists in some form of religion or spiritualism?

The number of believers says nothing about the veracity of the claim; absolutely nothing. If six billion people tomorrow claimed belief in sentient talking tomatoes, would you then believe based on this or would you require a demonstration?

(6th July 2012 21:18)Ionovaryeh Wrote:  In any case, do you understand anything about the nature of the spiritual realm? Or the existence of occult, and/or satanist groups that permeate world governments (otherwise known as Masons and Freemasons (as was George Washington))? Do you understand anything about voodoo, magick, or alchemy? What DO you understand, my "athiest" peer?

I know that there are people that believe in supernatural ideas, but this doesn't equate to the supernatural existing.

Satanist groups permeating world governments? Great. It is bad enough contending with people anticipating the return of Jesus Christ, now I am forced to deal with people awaiting the return of Lord Blackwood.

Are you serious? Seriously? Open your eyes. The occult has existed for as long as religion has, and you for how long? Are you a drinker?

"The number of believers says nothing about the veracity of the claim; absolutely nothing. If six billion people tomorrow claimed belief in sentient talking tomatoes, would you then believe based on this or would you require a demonstration?"

It kind of does, which is why I posted this on the Roerich Banner of Peace in the first place. Tomatoes do not contribute to cultural identities, nor do they collectively form a pattern (concerning anthropology). A pointless comparison.

[Rhythm]

They contributed to mine....people even know where I'm from when they see how I trellis maters (and my tomatoes don't even talk ffs)....The occult, religion, and a lack of belief in both have all existed for roughly equivalent amounts of time, insofar as we can tell. Neither the number of people nor the amount of time that has passed have much to say about whether any of these three things are factually accurate.

[cato123]

(6th July 2012 22:01)Ionovaryeh Wrote:  Are you serious? Seriously? Open your eyes. The occult has existed for as long as religion has, and you for how long? Are you a drinker?

"The number of believers says nothing about the veracity of the claim; absolutely nothing. If six billion people tomorrow claimed belief in sentient talking tomatoes, would you then believe based on this or would you require a demonstration?"

It kind of does, which is why I posted this on the Roerich Banner of Peace in the first place. Tomatoes do not contribute to cultural identities, nor do they collectively form a pattern (concerning anthropology). A pointless comparison.

Belief in the occult and religion is ancient, there's no argument here. The point you are missing is that the belief in supernatural causes of events doesn't mean there are actually supernatural causes.

My talking tomato comment was an illustration used to demonstrate the absurdity of your claim that the number of believers, absent corroborating evidence, can be used to verify a truth claim. I did not invoke this in any way regarding the Roerich Banner of Peace. This was quite clear.

[Ionovaryeh]

That is all I have to say. Get it right; ignorance is without a price; a sacrifice. You didn't ask to be here, in this shithole; the sagas continue:

[apophenia]

Well I'll be. I wasn't aware that idiots came in a larger size. I stand corrected.