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RE: Science Proves God
August 1, 2012 at 1:40 pm
(This post was last modified: August 1, 2012 at 2:38 pm by Tiberius.)
Let's do this one at a time.
(August 1, 2012 at 1:13 pm)Pahu Wrote: 1. The universe exists. Agreed.
Quote:2. The universe had a beginning.
Well, it depends what you mean by "universe". If you mean the dimensions of space and time that we experience, then yes, those had a beginning. However, science points towards a singularity (a point containing no space or time) being the starting point of the universe as we know it. The singularity existed "before" the universe (and I put the word before in quotation marks because the singularity by definition is timeless; any use of time to describe the singularity is relative to the time experienced in our current universe).
Quote:3. Before the beginning of the universe, there was no universe.
Sure, but that doesn't mean there wasn't anything. Like I've said, science suggests that "before" the universe there was a singularity, which didn't have a beginning since it is timeless.
Quote:4. Since there was no universe, there was nothing.
See above.
Quote:5. Since the universe does exist, it came from nothing.
See above...again.
Quote:6. Nothing comes from nothing by any natural cause.
Add the words "that we know of" to the end of that sentence and it would be accurate. If you want to talk about science, don't use such absolutes. Since the above cannot be demonstrated as absolute truth, it is an assumption, nothing more.
Quote:7. Therefore the cause of the universe is supernatural.
So your first conclusion is based entirely on one assumption being valid, and your assertion that the universe "came from nothing" (which science doesn't suggest). Both of which you need to prove before you can use them to support this argument.
Quote:8. Life exists.
Agreed.
Quote:9. Life always comes from pre-existing life of the same kind (the Law of Biogenesis).
Again, the assumptions start.
Quote:10. Life cannot come from nonliving matter by any natural cause.
Again, append the words "that we know of" to the end. Otherwise, this is just assumption number 2.
Quote:11. Since life does exist, the cause of life is supernatural.
Conclusion again supported only by assumptions which may be false. Prove your assumptions to be true and you'll have an argument.
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RE: Science Proves God
August 1, 2012 at 1:45 pm
(August 1, 2012 at 1:31 pm)cato123 Wrote: Does William Lane Craig approve of you rummaging through his underwear drawer and then using the most stained specimen?
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RE: Science Proves God
August 1, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Your title is quite misleading sir, I saw no science in your post! 
You really believe in a man who has helped to save the world twice, with the power to change his physical appearance? An alien who travels though time and space-- in a police box?!? ![[Image: TARDIS.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.smileyvault.com%2Falbums%2Fuserpics%2F11195%2FTARDIS.gif)
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RE: Science Proves God
August 1, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Pahu Wrote:Many answers have been proposed that go beyond the realm of known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation and therefore enter the realm of fiction.
You mean like "Goddidit?"
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Science Proves God
August 1, 2012 at 2:27 pm
(August 1, 2012 at 1:49 pm)KnockEmOuttt Wrote: Your title is quite misleading sir, I saw no science in your post!
My thoughts exactly. All I saw was baseless assumptions and absolutes. Science does not deal in absolutes.
He has failed to back up his assertions. I expected nothing less.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
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RE: Science Proves God
August 1, 2012 at 3:10 pm
(This post was last modified: August 1, 2012 at 3:14 pm by Napoléon.)
If there's one thing that pisses me off to no end on this forum, it's dumb as a plank theists coming along and immediately spouting the most retarded, incorrect shite and parading it around as though it's science.
Not only is it incredibly disingenuous, not only is it what 99% of scientists know to be inaccurate, not only is it the precise thing that science is NOT; it's incredibly rude, arrogant and downright insulting that you come here and do this shit, without a single hello, my name is, or how ya doin'.
And I'll tell you another thing for free, I can guarantee everyone on this site, theist and atheist alike, are not sitting back blown away thinking "Oh my Stevie, I've never heard this amazing shit before".
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RE: Science Proves God
August 1, 2012 at 3:13 pm
You don't even assert that God created life, opting instead for the vague 'supernatural'.
Therefore, I would change this thread title to "Science proves theists still worship the God of the Gaps", because that is all I see proof for.
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RE: Science Proves God
August 1, 2012 at 3:45 pm
I'm sure i've seen this argument verbatim somewhere else on this forum.
It was shit then and is shit now.
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RE: Science Proves God
August 1, 2012 at 3:51 pm
(August 1, 2012 at 1:13 pm)Pahu Wrote: “Spontaneous generation (the emergence of life from nonliving matter) has never been observed.” (From In the Beginning by Walt Brown, Ph.D. page 5). [http://www.creationscience.com/]
And neither has god. Your argument is a claim, it is not evidence. Come back with empirical evidence and then we'll talk.
You really believe in a man who has helped to save the world twice, with the power to change his physical appearance? An alien who travels though time and space-- in a police box?!?
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RE: Science Proves God
August 1, 2012 at 4:37 pm
 Creation science always arrives at the same answer.  hock:
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