So, Shithead...Why Did YOU Pick Him?

[A Theist]

...or 'notable pundits along the lines of O'Reilly' per DP's request....

I would have thought that would have been clear as a criteria. Bill O'Riley has his own show on a major conservative propaganda station and is possibly second only to Rush Limbaugh as conservative blowhards go. The liberal equivalent in notoriety and stature would be something like Olbermann, Maddow or Schultz. You know, people who also have their own TV shows on a major network.

You mentioned some guy named "Mike Malloy". My first reaction was "WHO?" I looked him up on the internet and he's some guy with a "streaming radio show" (translation: he pod casts). If conservatives weren't fishing for some outrage, would they have even known who this guy was?

You also mentioned Montel Williams. Seriously? I know him as a daytime talk show host. I had no idea he was a liberal until you mentioned him in this post. I'm not aware he's a famous commentator.

Not sure who has a "behind enemy lines" map. This was attributed to "The Democrats". Maybe if you had a link, we could see just how provocative it is.

Paul Krugman is the only notable political-economic figure you mentioned. Even taking your accusation at face value, he'd calling for outrage and "hanging someone IN EFFIGY". That means, if you're having trouble with the big word, "don't really do it but only do it symbolically". This falls way short of the calls for violence on the Republican side.

And all this is taking your claims, without any links provided, at face value. I'm certain, just like with your links to the OWS movement, that if I did follow them, they would turn out to be total bullshit.

This is what I'm talking about. There are 20 some odd acts of right wing terrorism and violence since Obama got elected and 1 arrest of alleged left wing terrorists so we're told "see, both sides do it".

We have candidates for president who are serious contenders for that highest office talking about secession or for McCarthy style hunts. Conservatives point to some liberal guy I'd never heard of before with a pod cast allegedly saying inflammatory things. We're told "see, both sides do it."

We see clips of Glenn Beck saying batshit crazy fear-mongering conspiracy rants and then see Keith Olbermann getting rightfully angry about real issues and we're told, "see, both sides do it".

The reality is I can't control or account for some guy shooting his mouth off during his pod cast. However, when movements of people support a candidate for president or watch a TV show so much that it remains on the air, it is a reflection not just of the candidate or the commentator but of the movement as a whole.

You're ad hominem tu quoque argument, beyond just being fallacious, is also not true.

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DON'T!

.....there's also the sleaziness of Harry Ried's accusations against Romney for tax evasion by an unnamed source.

"WAAAAAHHHHHHH! WAAAAHHHHH! Those nasty liberals are being so mean to poor Mitt Romeny! WAAAAAAAHHHHH!"

This from the party that forced Obama to turn over his birth certificate over a conspiracy theory so crazy even Ann Coulter said it was nuts.

Hey Mitt, you're running for president. You're life is now an open book. People are going to be placing you under a microscope looking to closely evaluate your character. That's the price for seeking the highest office in the land. That's the price everyone pays. Suck it up and deal with it or drop out.

...there's also the sleazy Obama campaign ad that falsely accused Romney of being responsible for the death of a woman who died from cancer.

This is from the party that brought you "Swiftboating".

"WAAAAAAHHHHHH! WAAAAAAHHHHH! Obama's running mean attack ads. WAAAAAAAHHHHHH!"

This is the political environment Karl Rove created. Don't whine about it now.

Bullies are such crybabies!

Lol.

[Jaysyn]

Lol.

Yeah, we're all laughing too.

[5thHorseman]

lol, skip to 48secs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3be9wCAwIM

[Brian37]

And which of these people are elected officials?

...or 'notable pundits along the lines of O'Reilly' per DP's request....

Famous Examples:

* Sarah Palin had rifle sights over Democrat congressional areas of representation
* Sharon Angle's second amendment remedies
* Rick Perry's veiled threat of secession
* Bill O'Riley repeatedly calling Dr. Tiller the "baby killer"


Please name for me any notable liberal elected officials or notable pundits (along the lines of O'Riley) that used similar violent rhetoric.

.....there's also the sleaziness of Harry Ried's accusations against Romney for tax evasion by an unnamed source. Reid stated in an interview that 'although he couldn't prove it, but the word is out'...there's also the sleazy Obama campaign ad that falsely accused Romney of being responsible for the death of a woman who died from cancer. The campaign drew more controversy when it was revealed that Obama's deputy campaign manager lead a conference call with the widower of the dead woman after she had originally denied knowing or having anything to do with that smear ad.

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Who here doesn't value freedom of speech, please tell me. You do realize if we atheists here did not value freedom of speech we are surrounded a majority of theists.

And as far as "America bashing", do you think the entire history of this country has been all peaches and cream? I'd say slavery and genocide of Native Americans was pretty sucky for those minorities at the time. I'd also say that women not being allowed to vote sucked.

There is a huge difference between criticizing what your government does, and "bashing". When my government fucks up, why shouldn't I criticize it? Or is that "bashing" only reserved for people you agree with?

You do not own a monopoly on what constitutes an American. If we are allowed to dissent and disagree as afforded by the First Amendment, then then a citizen is only based on the common law of the legality of being born here, or naturalized. Our political parties or positions on a god claim do not change that.

What are you talking about? That's not my point at all. If you re-read my post you quoted, I never implied that anyone should be denied their freedom of speech, no matter how much of the bullsh*t I disagree with. Yes, you have every right to voice a criticism of our government over things you don't agree with and I have an equal right to respond. I was only pointing out that at least appreciate the freedom of speech we have in this country without the worry of government retribution that we would receive in other countries......I wasn't telling anybody that they should shut up or be denied their freedom of speech.

Why would you think non Christians of other religions or non believers cant appreciate or don't appreciate freedom of speech? Why would you make the following statement

I was only pointing out that at least appreciate the freedom of speech we have in this country without the worry of government retribution that we would receive in other countries..

DUH! Would you like to call that into CNN or should I? Why would you feel the need to say that if you didn't think others are incapable of having the same values? If a non-Christian of any label, be they Jewish or Muslim or atheist, can value freedom of speech, which we can and do, then the above statement you made seems a bit of "me thinkist thou protestith too much".