Who's the most prominent Christian on this forum?

[greneknight]

What's FSTDT?

[Cyberman]

Oh boy, are you in for an education!

FSTDT is Fundies Say The Darndest Things!, "An archive of the most hilarious, bizarre, ignorant, bigoted, and terrifying quotes from fundies all over the internet! The FSTDT archive is the largest collection of fundie quotes on the planet." They also have collections for conspiracists (CSTDT) and racists (RSTDT), though sometimes it's hard to tell them apart. You get the chance to rate how fundy the quotes are, either "WTF?!" or "Meh" though this used to be a sliding scale rather than a binary choice, as well as leaving comments.

I've submitted quite a few there myself; maybe do a quick search for Stimbo, Sick_Of_Fundy_Shit, or Kinnell. There may be other names I've used but I can't remember now. Or just look for Atheist Forums to find the latest ones, though not all sent in by me.

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I've just been reading through some of my old comments, actually, and I've just found one of which I'm particularly proud.

It's in response to this gem from 2009:

Quote# 66739

[In a thread about the recent impact on the moon.]

It is Going to Happen on Friday at 6:15am. You can watch it happen on the NASA Website.

This is INSANE. These INSANE LUNATICS do not even know what is going to happen they are hoping for the best. They are going to the Dark Side of the MOON, that has never been Explored.

GOD made everything for a REASON, and He has it DARK FOR A REASON.

We might not feel the IMPACT On FRIDAY, but it could be MONTHS down the ROAD.

I am going to say it ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS CRAZY...

April, Rapture Ready 86 Comments [10/20/2009 6:56:42 AM]
Fundie Index: 87
Submitted By: Democritus

My comment:

#1040476
Curses - you've uncovered our sinister Global Atheist Conspiracy™ plot to assassinate God!!!!

See, the National Assembly of Satanic Atheists (NASA to you) used Evilution to send up a rocket ship and track down Heaven. When they looked at this crater on the Moon with their tel-o-scopes, they could see dem ole Pearly Gates a-glinting in the sun. I was right there at that Satanic Mass in the White House when Obama got his orders to press the button and bomb that shit clean off the Moon.

Now you come along and threaten to blow the whole deal! Satan's going to be mightily pissed off. You might not feel the impact right away, it could be months down the road.

I wouldn't want to be you. Seriously.

(Hey, it makes just as much sense! And that final line is genuine.)

10/21/2009 6:09:36 AM

[FallentoReason]

What's between a light-sensitive portion of flesh and a cornea, iris, pupil, lens, viterous humor, sclera, optic nerve and retina all working together? Give me an example of one of those parts functioning alone. If you change just one to a more primitive state, you must change them all. The slightest difference makes the organism blind. I'll put it this way: we have cornea 10.0, pupil 10.0, lens 10.0, sclera 10.0 and retina 10.0. Make just one of those 9.0 and all have to randomly mutate into 9.0 sometime before the organism dies--else the gene never passes on. The same goes for the dozens of parts I didn't mention. Don't reach into the far evolutionary past in an attempt to confuse your audience. Describe to me an eye one stage away.

I see what you're saying. Perhaps it would be more fruitful for all of us if you went off and researched this for yourself. If there's anything you see as faulty then you can bring it up. What I see as the main thrust of the question though is basically 'show me the research that shows how the eye developed to the one we have'. I suggest you go find out for yourself what research over the decades has to say.

Life in the whole universe is better suited to reproduce using a low-atomic element with 4 valence electrons, like Carbon. It bonds better. Water is the perfect solvent for a body because it turns from solid to liquid to gas in the shortest range of temperatures. Ignoring the existence of earth, C and H2O are our best chance. Now bring earth into the equation. It matches the already ideal life form to perfection.

You might be tempted to invoke another universe. But we're discussing fine-tuning within our universe, not in the imaginary billions of hypothetical universes. Our materials fitting with our scientific laws in the most efficient reproductive way.

Firstly, the scientific laws didn't come before the universe. I don't know what you're getting at by saying materials fit in with our laws. You've reversed the order. Our laws will by definition fit in with the observable universe because that's what the laws are describing.

You seem to be doing the same thing for our existence. Obviously we will be perfectly suited to these conditions otherwise we wouldn't be here discussing it. Again, you're pointing out the obvious.

What does innovation have to do with truth? The question is whether seeking the truth of our existence helps our existence.

Moving the goalposts I see. Innovation is clearly based on truth, otherwise whatever the object that is being innovative wouldn't work.

Answering your new question, no, seeking the truth of our existence doesn't seem to have direct benefits that I can think of.

At the end of the day, the job should get done better. Every retained mutation (such as altruism) has to improve our species’ chance of survival or it would be extinct by now.

And like I explained, it has. Do you want to abolish surgeons or not? They go out of their way to 'lay hands' and heal people. In general, if it wasn't for medicine then I don't think the explosion in population in the world could have been possible. We are practically invincible against the forces of nature. The chances of survival have skyrocketed.

[The Grand Nudger]

The really troubling bit about UD's statement with regards to eyes comes at the very end. It becomes apparent to me (and I missed this before) that he might actually think that our eyes are a recent development. Asking for an example of an eye "one stage" down -or whatever the fuck he'd like to call it- from our own eye is always going to involve something in the distant evolutionary past. Camera eyes have been around for a long god-damned time. You may understand what he's trying to get at, but I don't - and if you do, perhaps you could explain it to me in a way that I might be able to understand (so that I could then relate whatever information he's looking for in a way that he understands)?

I can't actually sign on with the notion that he's asking to see the research that demonstrates the various evolutionary pathways of eyes....mostly because he's been given links to it. One of which, amusingly, titled "The Evolution of the Eye" complete with 35 references (most of which being peer reviewed articles), and 4 solid suggestions for further reading. That's just the damned wiki......accessible to anyone with a search engine...

[greneknight]

I'm proud to say that i was the one who started the ball rolling with this talk about the evolution of the eye in Post No 63 here: https://atheistforums.org/thread-14500-p...#pid328797

I was arguing that irreducible complexity is bunkum. Something cooked up by deluded people.

[CBA222]

You know what? Stop arguing. There is no hard evidence for God, other then Jesus's miracles, which obviously none of you believe in and will never believe. The point is there shouldn't be much evidence for God, or people who submit too easily and not get the main point. It's all a matter of faith(I still have to argue Jesus was a real guy though, but that's not related to God's existence, I'm trying to prove his historical existence) and nothing else. You either choose to believe, or you don't. Christians tell you who God is and what Christianity is about(do any of you.....?). It's your choice to make. Our threads are just killing arenas for you atheists. So atheists, just look past the freaking lack of evidence and bias, and try to make that decision base on your inner self, not lack of evidence or proof for God. Try one time, if you aren't convinced, well I hope you'll convert some other way. And we could stop wasting our time and go to the Discussion forums maybe? Sorry I wasted your time, that was stupid and short-sighted. I hope I enjoy more discussions in other topics we would stop insulting each other, deal? Btw atheists don't feel that this was directed mainly at you, it wasn't, it was mostly a reccommodation to the Christian arguers. Why does the Religion forum have the threads and posts? Now I find that kinda of weird.

Oh, I like Halo, it's better the CoD, anyone care argue with me?

(Please do not comically mock this post, I am making a real reccomondation and stop hating on each other and wasting time, thanks. I'm still Christian but I don't want any bad blood)

[Faith No More]

Oh, I like Halo, it's better the CoD, anyone care argue with me?

Battlefield is better than both of them.

[pocaracas]

You know what? Stop arguing. There is no hard evidence for God, other then Jesus's miracles, which obviously none of you believe in and will never believe. The point is there shouldn't be much evidence for God, or people who submit too easily and not get the main point. It's all a matter of faith(I still have to argue Jesus was a real guy though, but that's not related to God's existence, I'm trying to prove his historical existence) and nothing else. You either choose to believe, or you don't. Christians tell you who God is and what Christianity is about(do any of you.....?). It's your choice to make. Our threads are just killing arenas for you atheists. So atheists, just look past the freaking lack of evidence and bias, and try to make that decision base on your inner self, not lack of evidence or proof for God. Try one time, if you aren't convinced, well I hope you'll convert some other way. And we could stop wasting our time and go to the Discussion forums maybe? Sorry I wasted your time, that was stupid and short-sighted. I hope I enjoy more discussions in other topics we would stop insulting each other, deal? Btw atheists don't feel that this was directed mainly at you, it wasn't, it was mostly a reccommodation to the Christian arguers. Why does the Religion forum have the threads and posts? Now I find that kinda of weird.

Oh, I like Halo, it's better the CoD, anyone care argue with me?

(Please do not comically mock this post, I am making a real reccomondation and stop hating on each other and wasting time, thanks. I'm still Christian but I don't want any bad blood)

I kinda liked your speech CBA.... just didn't like the converting part.
For most atheists, that conversion would require god himself to show each and everyone of us that he is actually there... that he's not our own wishful thinking, nor hallucination, nor SFX. According to your holy text, how many people got that treatment? Why not provide all individuals with the same experience of the divine?
Anyway, no arguing...
Please don't try to convert atheists. You may convert people who already believe in some deity into believing in your own version. That should be somewhat easy... but atheists? useless.

[neilmarr]

A funny thing happened on the way to this forum, Stimbo: Until now (I've decided to lighten up the hefty workload for a wee while), I'd never had time to visit FSTDT. Value for money, methinks. Good to see you here and there. Bestests. Neil

[The Grand Nudger]

You know what? Stop arguing. There is no hard evidence for God, other then Jesus's miracles, which obviously none of you believe in and will never believe.

So there is no evidence, except for the evidence? It might be prudent to point out that we don't actually have any evidence of miracles, just stories about miracles. Stories which, I have to mention, aren't limited to christian fairy tales.

The point is there shouldn't be much evidence for God, or people who submit too easily and not get the main point.

A convenient excuse, of course it doesn't apply to all of the people this god is said to have manifested itself to, does it?

It's all a matter of faith(I still have to argue Jesus was a real guy though, but that's not related to God's existence, I'm trying to prove his historical existence) and nothing else. You either choose to believe, or you don't.

Yeah, choosing to believe or not isn't how I go about making decisions on the contents of reality. If it works for you it works for you, and you're clearly free to do so.

Christians tell you who God is and what Christianity is about(do any of you.....?). It's your choice to make.

If christians had any evidence to present on either count it wouldn't be such a hard pill to swallow.

Our threads are just killing arenas for you atheists. So atheists, just look past the freaking lack of evidence and bias, and try to make that decision base on your inner self, not lack of evidence or proof for God.

My inner self would also like to believe in beer flavored nipples and flowers that disperse cocaine as pollen - doesn't mean either is going to magically appear one day.

Try one time, if you aren't convinced, well I hope you'll convert some other way.

"Just believe and maybe you'll be able to believe"

And we could stop wasting our time and go to the Discussion forums maybe? Sorry I wasted your time, that was stupid and short-sighted. I hope I enjoy more discussions in other topics we would stop insulting each other, deal? Btw atheists don't feel that this was directed mainly at you, it wasn't, it was mostly a reccommodation to the Christian arguers. Why does the Religion forum have the threads and posts? Now I find that kinda of weird.

Oh, I like Halo, it's better the CoD, anyone care argue with me?

(Please do not comically mock this post, I am making a real reccomondation and stop hating on each other and wasting time, thanks. I'm still Christian but I don't want any bad blood)

You know I never really got into Halo beyond the original, same with CoD. Both fantastic games.