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Why Secular Morality is Superior
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RE: Why Secular Morality is Superior



Meh. He's just preaching what he's been taught. When a starving man asks for food, you don't tell him to spend his money more wisely in the future, you give him food.


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#22
RE: Why Secular Morality is Superior
(September 1, 2012 at 9:25 pm)elunico13 Wrote: You can't violate without having a freedom to choose.

Good thing we do have that freedom.

(September 1, 2012 at 9:25 pm)elunico13 Wrote: Baking soda doesn't choose to react with vinegar.

Good thing we are neither.

(September 1, 2012 at 9:25 pm)elunico13 Wrote: That's called chemistry, which is what you believe you are.

No we don't. Don't try to tell us what we believe.

(September 1, 2012 at 9:25 pm)elunico13 Wrote: The will of another is unimportant in an evolution worldview.

No, it's not.

(September 1, 2012 at 9:25 pm)elunico13 Wrote: No one is under your arbitrary "social contract" and obligated to obey whatever you say.

If they are a part of society, then yes, they are.


(September 1, 2012 at 9:25 pm)elunico13 Wrote: No pain no gain, right?

Wrong.

(September 1, 2012 at 9:25 pm)elunico13 Wrote: Why would you love random mutations from pond scum?

No one here loves you.

(September 1, 2012 at 9:25 pm)elunico13 Wrote: Any other society can arbitrarily assert the opposite.

Which is why we don't let fundies have that kind of power.
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#23
RE: Why Secular Morality is Superior
(September 1, 2012 at 4:25 am)apophenia Wrote:


Okay. My curiosity is aroused. What is God's explanation as to why murder is wrong?



"In nature there are neither rewards nor punishments; there are consequences."
— Robert Ingersoll



God is the giver of life, whether anyone likes it or not, since life belongs to the one who created it only the creator has a right to take it. Much like an artist is the only one who has the right to destroy his works.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#24
RE: Why Secular Morality is Superior
Secular morality will trump religious morality EVERY TIME.

At least that is my understanding Undecided
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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RE: Why Secular Morality is Superior
(August 31, 2012 at 8:50 am)DeistPaladin Wrote:


Once again you amaze me in how small your understanding of morality is. Secular morality can be what ever any one person determines at any given time, as long as they have the control to enforce it.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Why Secular Morality is Superior
I can't thinking perhaps people think about this far too much and will go in circles with it. I personally think morlity is an illusion , but a very nice one i must add. In reality morality is just the code of laws we live by to ensure the best survival of a tribe .In that respect all pack animals have thier own set of laws which works best for thier survival. Most indivduals willingly obey the laws , but a few (who see thier genes as a little bit more important) will need reminding (by tooth and claw in the animal kingdom) , or depending on the severity of the 'moral' misdermeanour , having thier little combination of genes permanently extinguished.
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#27
RE: Why Secular Morality is Superior
Perhaps Haydn. Personally for me...it is a case of "Do as you would be done by". ....... Illusion is what religion desperately wants to bring to the table.
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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RE: Why Secular Morality is Superior
(September 2, 2012 at 5:47 am)Godschild Wrote: God is the giver of life, whether anyone likes it or not, since life belongs to the one who created it only the creator has a right to take it. Much like an artist is the only one who has the right to destroy his works.

Wrong on both counts. An artist doesn't have the right to destroy his work once someone else owns it and god wouldn't have any rights over the life once he has given it away.

(September 2, 2012 at 5:51 am)Godschild Wrote: Once again you amaze me in how small your understanding of morality is. Secular morality can be what ever any one person determines at any given time, as long as they have the control to enforce it.

No, it can't. Secular morality has to be rationally justifiable to be enforced - otherwise its not secular.
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RE: Why Secular Morality is Superior
(September 2, 2012 at 7:21 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Perhaps Haydn. Personally for me...it is a case of "Do as you would be done by". ....... Illusion is what religion desperately wants to bring to the table.

I agree , that is the most simplist and fairest approach . But i don't even think that is necessary - i don't believe we conciously set the rules for our own morality , its just there.
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RE: Why Secular Morality is Superior
(September 2, 2012 at 7:58 am)Haydn Wrote:
(September 2, 2012 at 7:21 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Perhaps Haydn. Personally for me...it is a case of "Do as you would be done by". ....... Illusion is what religion desperately wants to bring to the table.

I agree , that is the most simplist and fairest approach . But i don't even think that is necessary - i don't believe we conciously set the rules for our own morality , its just there.

Yes we do set our own codes. Remember when you (as a very young toddler) wanted to do something and your parents stopped you?? How did they do this? By causing a small amount of pain, that is how you are taught when you are not able to reason. We forget this and pride ourselves on our understanding and support for illusion and give away our own integrity to institutions that only want to enslave us.

So ... Do as you would be done by.
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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