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Religious Tolerance
#21
RE: Religious Tolerance
(September 2, 2012 at 1:49 am)Godschild Wrote: When one has the freedom of speech, one also has the responsibility of respect, that is if one wants to be acceptable to the majority.

Yeah, only if they want to be 'acceptable to the majority'. They are under no obligation to do so.
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#22
RE: Religious Tolerance
(September 2, 2012 at 11:46 am)Napoléon Wrote:
(September 2, 2012 at 1:49 am)Godschild Wrote: When one has the freedom of speech, one also has the responsibility of respect, that is if one wants to be acceptable to the majority.

Yeah, only if they want to be 'acceptable to the majority'. They are under no obligation to do so.

If they do not respect others, they cannot expect any respect or acceptance themselves in return. Really, I don't know where such an obligation does not exist. It's an obligation to be respectful towards the majority of a community anywhere on earth.
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#23
RE: Religious Tolerance
(September 1, 2012 at 9:08 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
(September 1, 2012 at 9:07 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I discovered, in an argument today, that it is a violation of a Christian's freedom of religion to prevent them from forcing their morals on everybody.

Tell me more of this argument.

The gist of it was that, by insisting that America adhere to the Constitution and keep church and state separate, I was forcing my secular morals on Christians, who should have the right to enforce Christian morals through the power of law, the justification for this being that Christianity is still the majority religion in America.

And, yunno, obviously, I had objections to that.
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#24
RE: Religious Tolerance
(September 2, 2012 at 12:39 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
(September 2, 2012 at 11:46 am)Napoléon Wrote: Yeah, only if they want to be 'acceptable to the majority'. They are under no obligation to do so.

If they do not respect others, they cannot expect any respect or acceptance themselves in return. Really, I don't know where such an obligation does not exist. It's an obligation to be respectful towards the majority of a community anywhere on earth.

Apart from the fact you don't know where such an obligation does not exist, I don't see how I suggested I'm disagreeing with you.
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#25
RE: Religious Tolerance
(September 2, 2012 at 4:18 pm)Napoléon Wrote:
(September 2, 2012 at 12:39 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: If they do not respect others, they cannot expect any respect or acceptance themselves in return. Really, I don't know where such an obligation does not exist. It's an obligation to be respectful towards the majority of a community anywhere on earth.

Apart from the fact you don't know where such an obligation does not exist, I don't see how I suggested I'm disagreeing with you.

You don't disagree with me, you disagree with the Godschild guy. I'm disagreeing with you in turn. There isn't a place on earth where such an obligation does not exist. It's an obligation put forward by the majority.
Quote:The gist of it was that, by insisting that America adhere to the Constitution and keep church and state separate, I was forcing my secular morals on Christians, who should have the right to enforce Christian morals through the power of law, the justification for this being that Christianity is still the majority religion in America.

And, yunno, obviously, I had objections to that.
Well, objecting to secular thought, is an objection to freedom of religion. Secular thought is what actually guarantees freedom of religion, as secularism states that religion is between a man and his God.
Defending secularism means that you are defending his religious freedoms. Nothing more. Obviously, Christianity is the religion of the majority in America, and certain aspects of it that concern the moral issues of the public need to be taken into consideration, since those people themselves are voters, however the situation in America has reached a level where this does not make any sense anymore. I mean, certain "Christian morals" as you state, and certain "Secular morals" whatever those may be, can come to a middle path, allowing for a smooth and harmonious way to those who commit themselves to traditional values, and those who do not share those values, or adhere to other traditional values.
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#26
RE: Religious Tolerance
(September 2, 2012 at 5:31 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: There isn't a place on earth where such an obligation does not exist. It's an obligation put forward by the majority.

It's funny you'd say that. Since you are still allowed to talk here, it means that this is one place where the obligation does not exist.
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#27
RE: Religious Tolerance
(September 2, 2012 at 10:39 pm)genkaus Wrote:
(September 2, 2012 at 5:31 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: There isn't a place on earth where such an obligation does not exist. It's an obligation put forward by the majority.

It's funny you'd say that. Since you are still allowed to talk here, it means that this is one place where the obligation does not exist.

The obligation always exist, there are some who do not care about the obligation because they do not necessarily care about others or what others think. This on some level is anti-social.
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#28
RE: Religious Tolerance
(September 3, 2012 at 12:45 am)Godschild Wrote:
(September 2, 2012 at 10:39 pm)genkaus Wrote: It's funny you'd say that. Since you are still allowed to talk here, it means that this is one place where the obligation does not exist.

The obligation always exist, there are some who do not care about the obligation because they do not necessarily care about others or what others think. This on some level is anti-social.

Are you saying that saying anything that is against the grain of the majority is anti-social? Because by that definition you are anti-social to the majority of this site, but yet posting at all and conversating is a social act...
I'm no one special and I treat everyone the best I possibly can, but to you believer, despite my acts, I am condemned to hell.
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#29
RE: Religious Tolerance
My respect needs to earned,it may not be assumed or demanded. I accept many societal conventions because it is in my best interest. However, I do not allow others to decide my moral obligations.

BUT,I behave in a civil, friendly manner in daily life, which is how I like to be treated. My behaviour often reflects the way I feel,but not always.


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#30
RE: Religious Tolerance
(September 3, 2012 at 12:45 am)Godschild Wrote: The obligation always exist, there are some who do not care about the obligation because they do not necessarily care about others or what others think. This on some level is anti-social.

Which means that the obligation doesn't apply to those who don't care about others or what they think. An inapplicable obligation is moot. Therefore, it doesn't always exist.
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