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Religious Tolerance
#51
RE: Religious Tolerance
(September 3, 2012 at 6:19 am)jonb Wrote: Religious Tolerance, is in britain becoming a form of suppression. So far I think the debate has been around the right to hold a view, but free speech is not just about being able to think it is also about being able to speak. Remember in the most fascist islamic state you can think whatever you want, you are just not allowed to speak it.
Free speech is to be able to speak, and sometimes we just need to tell the other guy he is a wanker. If I am not allowed to offend you because you have a religion, but you are allowed to offend me because my views are only a philosophy there is no equality.
No I don't think, religious toleration is acceptable, it stifles society and as such is anti social.

So you're a bigot. I haven't heard of worse logic to promote intolerance since the South advocated for racial segregation.
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#52
RE: Religious Tolerance
(September 6, 2012 at 9:15 pm)Polaris Wrote: So you're a bigot. I haven't heard of worse logic to promote intollerance since the South advocated for racial segregation.

So to say that a philosophy that is called a religion should not have privileges over a philosophy which is not called a religion is bigotry, then by that definition I am a bigot, but that is not the definition you would find in most dictionaries.
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#53
RE: Religious Tolerance
(September 6, 2012 at 9:35 pm)jonb Wrote:
(September 6, 2012 at 9:15 pm)Polaris Wrote: So you're a bigot. I haven't heard of worse logic to promote intollerance since the South advocated for racial segregation.

So to say that a philosophy that is called a religion should not have privileges over a philosophy which is not called a religion is bigotry, then by that definition I am a bigot, but that is not the definition you would find in most dictionaries.

By saying being tolerant of others is inviting suppression is unbridled bigotry.
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#54
RE: Religious Tolerance
Not all bigotry is bad. I'm bigoted against neo-Nazis, conspiracy theorists and people who hold back humanity through their stubborn adherence to disreputable fairy tales.

I do not advocate forcing the religious to give up their beliefs, but you should not expect the right to have an important say in politics, society or education, because the influence of your religion is overwhelmingly negative. It sure as hell wasn't atheists insisting that racial integration was against the will of God, was it?
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#55
RE: Religious Tolerance
(September 6, 2012 at 9:40 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Not all bigotry is bad. I'm bigoted against neo-Nazis, conspiracy theorists and people who hold back humanity through their stubborn adherence to disreputable fairy tales.

I do not advocate forcing the religious to give up their beliefs, but you should not expect the right to have an important say in politics, society or education, because the influence of your religion is overwhelmingly negative. It sure as hell wasn't atheists insisting that racial integration was against the will of God, was it?

If enough people accepted the latter as fact for the support of their particular views whatever they may be, I would expect them to say something similar.
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#56
RE: Religious Tolerance
(September 6, 2012 at 9:37 pm)Polaris Wrote: By saying being tolerant of others is inviting suppression is unbridled bigotry.

Yes that is exactly what I am saying 'being tolerant of others is inviting suppression is unbridled bigotry' we should be able to argue every point on an equal field.
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#57
RE: Religious Tolerance
No one has to tolerate any given persons sense of entitlement with regards to their religion to be capable of tolerating their religion. Subtle but important distinction.
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#58
RE: Religious Tolerance
My personal position
I will not tolerate fascism the idea one person is inherently superior to another is anathema to me. A lot of people will except this because I am talking about a political philosophy. However I am just as intolerant of a pastor who wants to beat the devil out of a child because he says the child is possessed, but it seems this is more controversial because the pastor is part of a religion and we are supposed to tolerate that. But to me there is no difference these ways of thinking are both sick and I personally will not tolerate either.

I think I heard in britain there are about 20 cases of child torture a year that are direct a consequence of churches that believe in child possession. The ideas coming from these churches I will not tolerate even if it is religious.
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