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Talking Snakes, Virgins Bear Children and Dead Men Walk
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RE: Talking Snakes, Virgins Bear Children and Dead Men Walk
(September 14, 2012 at 3:50 am)greneknight Wrote: We differ in the definition of a Christian. My church agrees with me. At least the clergy and prelates of my church agree with me.

That's fine, to be honest I don't care what defines a Christian, it's largely irrelevant to me, what I want to know is why? Why pray to, and worship something you consider metaphor? Why choose Christianity over atheism if you already know the whole thing is bollocks?
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#22
RE: Talking Snakes, Virgins Bear Children and Dead Men Walk
(September 14, 2012 at 3:54 am)Dumac Dwarfking Wrote:
(September 14, 2012 at 3:50 am)greneknight Wrote: We differ in the definition of a Christian. My church agrees with me. At least the clergy and prelates of my church agree with me.

That's fine, to be honest I don't care what defines a Christian, it's largely irrelevant to me, what I want to know is why? Why pray to, and worship something you consider metaphor? Why choose Christianity over atheism if you already know the whole thing is bollocks?

It's not bollocks. It's metaphor. Aesop's Fables aren't bollocks. Religion is culture. To be honest, it's probably because I've been an altar boy since I was 5 and I'm still at it. It's something my family has done for centuries. There is no reason not to go to church on Sunday. I think it's different if you were brought up in a fundy family where believing in the wretched thing is a must. And when you stop believing, all hell breaks lose like one chap is asking in AF if he should tell his parents. In my family, believing is no big deal. My Mum doesn't believe either. Same with my dad. If I really didn't want to go to church or be an altar boy, I could always tell my parents my wishes. If I gave the reason it's because I don't believe in a God being, my parents would be puzzled. Why would not believing in a supernatural being stop a person from going to church? But if I really didn't want to go, they'd find it odd but they wouldn't object. It's like I have refused to go to my favourite restaurant. My Mum will probably think something has happened in church like I was molested or something but then we aren't RCs. Haha.

But of course they'd expect me to be responsible. I'd have to tell the vicar and give him notice to get another altar boy in my place.
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#23
RE: Talking Snakes, Virgins Bear Children and Dead Men Walk
(September 14, 2012 at 4:03 am)greneknight Wrote:
(September 14, 2012 at 3:54 am)Dumac Dwarfking Wrote: That's fine, to be honest I don't care what defines a Christian, it's largely irrelevant to me, what I want to know is why? Why pray to, and worship something you consider metaphor? Why choose Christianity over atheism if you already know the whole thing is bollocks?

It's not bollocks. It's metaphor. Aesop's Fables aren't bollocks. Religion is culture. To be honest, it's probably because I've been an altar boy since I was 5 and I'm still at it. It's something my family has done for centuries. There is no reason not to go to church on Sunday. I think it's different if you were brought up in a fundy family where believing in the wretched thing is a must. And when you stop believing, all hell breaks lose like one chap is asking in AF if he should tell his parents. In my family, believing is no big deal. My Mum doesn't believe either. Same with my dad. If I really didn't want to go to church or be an altar boy, I could always tell my parents my wishes. If I gave the reason it's because I don't believe in a God being, my parents would be puzzled. Why would not believing in a supernatural being stop a person from going to church? But if I really didn't want to go, they'd find it odd but they wouldn't object. It's like I have refused to go to my favourite restaurant. My Mum will probably think something has happened in church like I was molested or something but then we aren't RCs. Haha.

But of course they'd expect me to be responsible. I'd have to tell the vicar and give him notice to get another altar boy in my place.

Well, I don't get it, but I applaud your ability to justify it with yourself.
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#24
RE: Talking Snakes, Virgins Bear Children and Dead Men Walk
(September 14, 2012 at 3:19 am)Dumac Dwarfking Wrote: Are you a Christian just for the tradition of it? If that's the case, aren't you still just an atheist that keeps tradition?

Yes I am. If you're revering to things like christmas and easter and all the other fun hollidays we got from religions. For me it's just another excuse to drink and eat some more and have fun with teh famlily. Don't get me wrong, I love it and I think we should keep it since it is a part of our history. Like rememberance day for the WOII veterans. But what makes me an Atheist is that I don't believe in superstitious fairy tales. I know I can't prove there isn't a God, but inside I can feel 100% trueth that it's bullshit. The same way you feel about flying pigs or what ever the English exprecion is.
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#25
RE: Talking Snakes, Virgins Bear Children and Dead Men Walk
(September 14, 2012 at 4:08 am)Dumac Dwarfking Wrote:
(September 14, 2012 at 4:03 am)greneknight Wrote: It's not bollocks. It's metaphor. Aesop's Fables aren't bollocks. Religion is culture. To be honest, it's probably because I've been an altar boy since I was 5 and I'm still at it. It's something my family has done for centuries. There is no reason not to go to church on Sunday. I think it's different if you were brought up in a fundy family where believing in the wretched thing is a must. And when you stop believing, all hell breaks lose like one chap is asking in AF if he should tell his parents. In my family, believing is no big deal. My Mum doesn't believe either. Same with my dad. If I really didn't want to go to church or be an altar boy, I could always tell my parents my wishes. If I gave the reason it's because I don't believe in a God being, my parents would be puzzled. Why would not believing in a supernatural being stop a person from going to church? But if I really didn't want to go, they'd find it odd but they wouldn't object. It's like I have refused to go to my favourite restaurant. My Mum will probably think something has happened in church like I was molested or something but then we aren't RCs. Haha.

But of course they'd expect me to be responsible. I'd have to tell the vicar and give him notice to get another altar boy in my place.

Well, I don't get it, but I applaud your ability to justify it with yourself.

It actually doesn't require much justification. I was born into a Christian family. I just flows naturally. If I had been born as Rayaan's son, I'd probably be an altar boy in the local mosque. It's just like that.
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#26
RE: Talking Snakes, Virgins Bear Children and Dead Men Walk
(September 14, 2012 at 4:11 am)greneknight Wrote: It actually doesn't require much justification. I was born into a Christian family. I just flows naturally. If I had been born as Rayaan's son, I'd probably be an altar boy in the local mosque. It's just like that.

Indoctrination is a bitch.
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RE: Talking Snakes, Virgins Bear Children and Dead Men Walk
(September 14, 2012 at 4:22 am)Fryslân Wrote:
(September 14, 2012 at 4:11 am)greneknight Wrote: It actually doesn't require much justification. I was born into a Christian family. I just flows naturally. If I had been born as Rayaan's son, I'd probably be an altar boy in the local mosque. It's just like that.

Indoctrination is a bitch.

Maybe. But when you're in it, it seems quite natural and it's fun too.
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#28
RE: Talking Snakes, Virgins Bear Children and Dead Men Walk
(September 14, 2012 at 4:29 am)greneknight Wrote:
(September 14, 2012 at 4:22 am)Fryslân Wrote: Indoctrination is a bitch.

Maybe. But when you're in it, it seems quite natural and it's fun too.

You're either very moronic or very bright. I can't quite put my finger on it. Cause you have quite a few good points (not just in this thread) but yet you chose to stand for something ridiculous as Christianity.
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#29
RE: Talking Snakes, Virgins Bear Children and Dead Men Walk
(September 14, 2012 at 4:03 am)greneknight Wrote: There is no reason not to go to church on Sunday.

Yes there is, I don't believe in god, I'm not part of any religion. And so thus...why bother going?
Just because it may be traditional doesn't mean it must be practiced. Traditions die all the time.
If you like going to church, knock yourself out. However I'll stick to sleeping in on Sundays.
I don't do traditions. Big Grin
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#30
RE: Talking Snakes, Virgins Bear Children and Dead Men Walk
(September 14, 2012 at 5:10 am)Ace Otana Wrote:
(September 14, 2012 at 4:03 am)greneknight Wrote: There is no reason not to go to church on Sunday.

Yes there is, I don't believe in god, I'm not part of any religion. And so thus...why bother going?
Just because it may be traditional doesn't mean it must be practiced. Traditions die all the time.
If you like going to church, knock yourself out. However I'll stick to sleeping in on Sundays.
I don't do traditions. Big Grin

I agree with you. If you are not into the culture of Christianity, it would be wrong to expect you to practise the religion. That is why I always think it's wrong for people to preach their religion to others. Religion is so personal and it depends on so many factors such as family and culture. I can also understand how some people drop out of a religion. They feel that it's closely tied to the belief part. Most fundies in America work this way. The moment you grow out of the belief, they axe you. Or they'll tell you you're not a Christian so you're compelled to leave the church.

For my church, the religion is more in the practice than in the belief. It's more a cultural thing. Prince Charles obviously doesn't believe in God at all (I've read an article about this) but he will be crowned in Westminster Abbey by the Archbishop of Canterbury in a religious ritual and he will vow to defend the Church of England as the Defender of the Faith, etc. Nobody in my country will say, "Wait a minute! Charles doesn't believe!!!!"

Or as someone in a Christian forum once asked me - if I had said the Prayer of Sinners or something like that. It sounds ridiculous and I'm sure Prince Charles has not said such a prayer. As an altar boy, I know MANY prayers and collects but there is not one called by that funny name.
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