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RE: Suffering
September 17, 2012 at 2:47 pm
(This post was last modified: September 17, 2012 at 2:48 pm by Mystic.)
I made an argument that goes a long the lines of this.
(a) (Objective/real) Morality
(b) God exists
© a -> b
I argue if we know © to be true, then (a) is true.
Knowing © to be true, implies (a) to be true, and it implies (b) to true (by chain).
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RE: Suffering
September 18, 2012 at 12:18 am
Everyone can a-b-c this question to death and it will not answer a thing. There is suffering in this world because people introduced it through sin, God allows this suffering to continue to teach us. I know most of you will not believe nor accept this but it is true and I do not think it can be shown to be otherwise.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Suffering
September 18, 2012 at 12:21 am
(September 18, 2012 at 12:18 am)Godschild Wrote: God allows this suffering to continue to teach us.
Trying to teach us what exactly?
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RE: Suffering
September 18, 2012 at 12:33 am
(September 17, 2012 at 8:36 am)Rhythm Wrote: (September 16, 2012 at 8:10 pm)Polaris Wrote: Suffering is a result of our own selfish ambition.
Would you rather have the religious answer instead of the non-religious one?
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
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RE: Suffering
September 18, 2012 at 1:04 am
Quote:God allows this suffering to continue to teach us.
Well FUCK HIM.
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RE: Suffering
September 18, 2012 at 1:43 am
(September 18, 2012 at 12:18 am)Godschild Wrote: Everyone can a-b-c this question to death and it will not answer a thing. There is suffering in this world because people introduced it through sin, God allows this suffering to continue to teach us. I know most of you will not believe nor accept this but it is true and I do not think it can be shown to be otherwise. EXACTLY
I bolded.
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RE: Suffering
September 18, 2012 at 2:37 am
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(September 18, 2012 at 12:18 am)Godschild Wrote: Everyone can a-b-c this question to death and it will not answer a thing. There is suffering in this world because people introduced it through sin, God allows this suffering to continue to teach us. I know most of you will not believe nor accept this but it is true and I do not think it can be shown to be otherwise.
Can the hopeless that die through starvation or disease before their 5th birthday be taught by said God? I'm hoping the answer is "yes" because said God supposedly breathed life into every last one of them and gave them "purpose" in life.
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RE: Suffering
September 18, 2012 at 5:54 am
(September 16, 2012 at 8:10 pm)Polaris Wrote: Suffering is a result of our own selfish ambition.
(September 18, 2012 at 12:18 am)Godschild Wrote: There is suffering in this world because people introduced it through sin, God allows this suffering to continue to teach us.
So, I just have to ask you, what wrong did the child carrying a malaria parasite do in order to endure such suffering? It must have been something really terrible. Especially counting in the famine, other diseases, poor living conditions etc. that he or she has to go through. Yeah, those bloody sinful African children most definitely deserve that, because they have got selfish ambitions and god is teaching them a lesson!
Or wait..
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RE: Suffering
September 18, 2012 at 7:35 am
(September 18, 2012 at 12:18 am)Godschild Wrote: There is suffering in this world because people introduced it through sin, God allows this suffering to continue to teach us.
Google "neural tube defects". Even Wikipedia will do. Now tell me again how "people introduced it through sin" and while you're at it, please tell me what lesson this god is teaching us here that could be worth the suffering of more than three hundred thousand innocent newborns and their families each year. Perhaps it was how to reduce the number of NTD cases through the use of Folic Acid? Something else that people introduced into the world to combat the suffering that your god allegedly allows.
(September 18, 2012 at 12:18 am)Godschild Wrote: I know most of you will not believe nor accept this but it is true and I do not think it can be shown to be otherwise.
Doesn't matter what you think on this point; the burden of proof is yours to show it to be.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Suffering
September 18, 2012 at 8:43 am
(September 18, 2012 at 12:18 am)Godschild Wrote: Everyone can a-b-c this question to death and it will not answer a thing. There is suffering in this world because people introduced it through sin, God allows this suffering to continue to teach us. I know most of you will not believe nor accept this but it is true and I do not think it can be shown to be otherwise.
Shown to be otherwise......? That's not how this works. Can you show that this - "There is suffering in this world because people introduced it through sin," is the case? I doubt that ever happened, smells like bullshit to me GC.
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