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July 21, 2009 at 2:27 pm
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This was brought up on the other section of "American Presidents" and I thought it would be a great discussion by itself.
I of course live in the U.S. where we do not have a Universal Health Care. However, like I mentioned on the other topic, I lived in Norway for a long time and honestly never heard a single person there bitch or complain about their system.
My question for you guys who live in a country that does have a Uni HC in place, or at least something close to it is:
1. What do you believe are the pros/cons?
2. If you could change something about it, what would it be?
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RE: Uni Health Care
July 21, 2009 at 2:45 pm
(July 21, 2009 at 2:27 pm)Samson Wrote: This was brought up on the other section of "American Presidents" and I thought it would be a great discussion by itself.
I of course live in the U.S. where we do not have a Universal Health Care. However, like I mentioned on the other topic, I lived in Norway for a long time and honestly never heard a single person there bitch or complain about their system.
My question for you guys who live in a country that does have a Uni HC in place, or at least something close to it is:
1. What do you believe are the pros/cons?
2. If you could change something about it, what would it be?
No cons, all pros.
Even more state funding ( by more taxation of the rich ) Better pay and conditions for all those employed in providing the service.
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RE: Uni Health Care
July 21, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Bozo,
So why should rich people have to pay more? Is being rich correlated to increased use of healthcare services?
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RE: Uni Health Care
July 21, 2009 at 3:12 pm
The only cons I suppose is that those who can afford it won't get any better treatment than the rest (and quite rightly so ... sod off to another country if you want that!)
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RE: Uni Health Care
July 21, 2009 at 3:23 pm
(July 21, 2009 at 2:27 pm)Samson Wrote: This was brought up on the other section of "American Presidents" and I thought it would be a great discussion by itself.
I of course live in the U.S. where we do not have a Universal Health Care. However, like I mentioned on the other topic, I lived in Norway for a long time and honestly never heard a single person there bitch or complain about their system.
Actually your wrong. Universal health care exists in the best state, MA 
When the bill was passed for universal care in our state I was automatically put on a state plan. It came just in the nick of time because I had an ovarian cyst the size of a grapefruit and I needed it removed. The state paid for it. I'm also an asthmatic and health care meant I could go on a preventive medication that costs $300 a month and will help me live longer because fast acting inhalers destroy your heart over time, with the preventive medication keeping me from using it a lot.
Now I'm on insurance through my job because when I got a better job I didn't qualify anymore, but it didn't matter.
I fully support universal health care. I'm not certain how I specifically think it should be done, but it's something I think the state should help with. The system is obviously broken, and while I don't think the state should carry every person, health care is one of those things I think should be a basic human right. Especially when the uninsured tax the system because they go to emergency rooms and then don't pay because they can't. We pay more that way.
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RE: Uni Health Care
July 21, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Kyu,
There could be differently priced packages that would provide more utility for a higher price, then the rich would pay more AND get more utility. Win/win scenario.
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RE: Uni Health Care
July 21, 2009 at 3:43 pm
(July 21, 2009 at 3:25 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: There could be differently priced packages that would provide more utility for a higher price, then the rich would pay more AND get more utility. Win/win scenario.
Lovely! I'm one of those damned socialists (from when the labour party actually stood for things that meant something) so I don't like that kind of scenario ... and FWIW I don't accept that there can ever be a win/win scenario.
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RE: Uni Health Care
July 21, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Bravo Kyu!
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RE: Uni Health Care
July 21, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Well Kyu,
I won't craft up a large wall of text but I will offer a simple example of a win/win scenario.
You go to buy a car, you pay them an amount that covers their cost, commision, and overhead. You get a car. Win/win.
The same could be said of any purchase and healthcare is the same; a service with associated cost and overhead.
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RE: Uni Health Care
July 21, 2009 at 4:23 pm
(July 21, 2009 at 2:57 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Bozo,
So why should rich people have to pay more? Is being rich correlated to increased use of healthcare services?
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Rich people can afford to pay more for essential services than poorer people can.
The gap between rich and poor is too great. Raising the level of tax on the very rich can help redress this and put more into the public purse for essentials like healthcare.
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