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No...It Isn't What You Think
#31
RE: No...It Isn't What You Think
(October 29, 2012 at 5:15 am)Spectrum Wrote:
(October 29, 2012 at 5:12 am)JohnDG Wrote: You can't dodge this by trying to insult my typing so deal with it unless you are the one person on AF who cannot read my typing.

I'm simply going to state one of the most arrogant mistakes a racist person can make is say he or his people are not racist.

I admit that I harbor resentment for other race's based upon my life experience's with them. But I work past it because I know for a fact people are just people and those who stick out get the blame.

I was not insulting you. Your lack of puncuation obscured the meaning of the message. By the way, I'm not dodging, because I did address your assertions.

lol, now I am racist. I didn't say "my people". Fuck off. You can't even read.

LOL. Now who sounds like the racist? This is classic.

Are you White, by chance? I am being sincere; I really want to know.

No, I am half native american half hispanic. I seriously doubt any meaning in what I said was obscured. You can use the my people arguement without stating my people. I hope it is classic so it sticks to you, because your disbelief and ignorance caused you to be blind to true social issues. Upon reading other post by you I realize you are not here for discussion, this is just where you hang out. By the way I just got home and its 2:23am ty for telling me about my punctuation. Here is something you might not see often. I don't care, do not read it then. I'm not here grasping for attention I use this site to get new opinions and points of views regardless if I like them or not.
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#32
RE: No...It Isn't What You Think
(October 29, 2012 at 5:24 am)JohnDG Wrote: You can use the my people arguement without stating my people.

I give up. You win.

I'm not even going to try, if you are just going to put words in my mouth.

Wait a second, what do you mean by "my people"? Whites? Who are saying that I am referring to, with that "my people" phrase?
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#33
RE: No...It Isn't What You Think
There was nothing to win, I didn't put words in your mouth. You said american's are not racist obviously you are wrong. No not white's, that's a racist thought I meant american's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RovF1zsDo...re=related
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#34
RE: No...It Isn't What You Think
(October 29, 2012 at 1:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: I didn't put words in your mouth.

You are telling me what I am saying, rather than reading my literal words. So yes, you are. >__>

By the way, you don't score extra browny points for saying "racist" as many times as you can within a single message. I understood you the first time.

And no, everyone is not racist. You admitted to earlier having had hateful thoughts about other groups; well, that isn't normal. You seem to be coping with your abnormality by making the claim that everyone else is implicitly racist. Yet, you made some grand awakening by realizing your own racism. Delusions of grandeur.
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#35
RE: No...It Isn't What You Think
I've read you words, you are no better and in denial. I harbor resentment for things that were done to me during my life not by blind prejudice. Unless you are color blind and have never been able to see the difference between people I consider you in the same boat. When I'm in the streets dealing with people, I know for a fact I have a more likely chance to be jumped and robbed by my black customers than others and more likely to be fronted and ripped off by white customers. These are just things I have to deal with, It's not my fault people act this way.
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#36
RE: No...It Isn't What You Think
(October 29, 2012 at 3:30 pm)JohnDG Wrote: I consider you in the same boat.

lol, Way to generalize.

Look, my family never owned slaves, no one committed hate crimes or supported racist organizations, and I disperse my hate/love pretty evenly accross the population of people I meet, regardless of ethnicity. Stop acting like you know something about me, because you don't. You are in no place to judge me.
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#37
RE: No...It Isn't What You Think
(October 29, 2012 at 3:37 pm)Spectrum Wrote:
(October 29, 2012 at 3:30 pm)JohnDG Wrote: I consider you in the same boat.

lol, Way to generalize.

Look, my family never owned slaves, no one committed hate crimes or supported racist organizations, and I disperse my hate/love pretty evenly accross the population of people I meet, regardless of ethnicity. Stop acting like you know something about me, because you don't. You are in no place to judge me.

You generalized american's first, I happen to be american.

Lol you are so predictable Here is a person you might understand better than me. Solves your questions by the way, I will no longer continue this conversation because I know racism is very real and very apparent in america and it would be bad for my self esteem to pretend it is not.

7) Prove It To Me

A common ploy by conservative white people. Whenever racism is brought up and POCs share their perspective and their experiences, they demand proof. They like to set themselves up as Judge and God and we have the burden of proof.
“Prove to me that racism is real. Convince me. And if I don’t believe it, then it didn’t happen and it’s all in your head.”

And it doesn’t matter how many facts, figures, statistics, essays, dissertations, you could have Jesus Christ himself come down from heaven to testify and they still wouldn’t believe you.

So of course when you deem yourself their equal and not play their game of white supremacy circle jerk, suddenly they’re having a conniption. Because how dare you not grant them an audience or waste your time on them. How dare you think your opinion and experiences or more valid than whatever bass ackwards idea they’ve pulled from their rectum.

I’ve heard this argument too many times (especially from self-proclaimed liberal white peepul), that I don’t engage people who disagree with me because my brain can’t fathom the idea that someone may have a different or *gasps* opposing view. Because in the near three decades I’ve lived on this planet, I’ve never encountered anyone who disagrees with me. Yes being a black gay man in the South, I’ve never come across any opposition regarding my orientation or my race and have had to defend myself. Also apparently it’s written somewhere that I’m under obligation to engage, entertain, and be talked down to by any pissant who trolls my blog.

3) I Don’t SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Race!!!!!

Oh yes, this one is a classic. The discussion of racism comes about, those of the Caucasian persuasion have to profess how colorblind they are and how race doesn’t matter to them at all.

Now to be fair, I can see how this trips up otherwise well-meaning and good-hearted white folks. They recognize that racism is wrong (and this puts them ahead of many) and genuinely believe that they are treating people equally and not allowing race to be a factor in their dealings with others. And God bless them for that. They’re at least on the right track.

However, we’re don’t live in a colorblind, post-racial society. I wish to God we did. The institutional oppression that is racism is immensely prevalent and ignoring the problems and the issues will not make them go away.

A lot of people believe that if you ignore racism or don’t talk about it, it’ll vanish. But when Racefail pops off again, we’re all scratching our heads wondering why we’re still dealing with this nonsense.

So yes, continue to judge people on the content of their character and not their ethnicity but also be cognizant of the realities that too many of us face and those realities is that we live in a very racist and hateful society and do your part to change it.

To become defensive and immediately stammer, oh no not me, is a clear indicator of denial. It is this very state of denial that allows privilege to maintain its insidious grip on society. One cannot actively fight against interlocking isms while continuing to deny the effect that they personally have on you. How are you to convince anyone that inequality is systemic, if you as an individual continue to benefit without acknowledgement? It is dishonest and begins ally work from a false groundwork. It’s like saying I’m not racist because my best friend as a kid was black. People see that kind of commentary for exactly what it is.
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#38
RE: No...It Isn't What You Think
(October 29, 2012 at 3:48 pm)JohnDG Wrote: those of the Caucasian persuasion have to profess how colorblind they are and how race doesn’t matter to them at all.

Stop generalizing. "Caucasion" is actually a loose umbrella term that encompasses Germanic, Slavic, Indo-Aryan/Persian, Mediterranean peoples, and more. Just so you know, as someone who is of Native American and Hispanic descent, you should realize that thanks to some very generous Whites, you get the privilege of living in an industrialized nation with pretty good living conditions. You fail to realize that there are a lot of Whites out there who are very nice to those of other races, and they have fought to give non-Whites the rights they have today. They don't expect thank you's, because they did it for the public good.

Personally, I volunteered to tutor low-income Black children in the inner city. How many times have you did that? Because I went back several more times, and I got some kids through Algebra, even though their school teachers were doing piss poor jobs. Much like those good Whites I mentioned earlier, I don't expect thanks you's either.

Get off your high horse. You know absolutely nothing about me, and apparently, you know little of "the Caucasian persuasion". Maybe, you should hang out with more people of European descent, and get to know some of them. It might surprise you that they aren't the blue eyed devils you make them out to be.
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#39
RE: No...It Isn't What You Think
You do realize almost all of that was another persons insight, it is you who is generalizing. And one of my best friends is white, my aunt is half white half hispanic so our families now intermingle. You taught some inpoverished inner city black school children. I'm happy you made that commitment but that does not mean racism doesn't exist, it means you felt empathy towards some children who normally have none directed to them. If you don't realize the only thing I wrote was at the beginning of the last post you must be illiterate and should not have been allowed to teach.

Honestly if you were not racist, I don't see why you were defending yourself.
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#40
RE: No...It Isn't What You Think
(October 29, 2012 at 4:04 pm)JohnDG Wrote: You do realize almost all of that was another persons insight, it is you who is generalizing.

Yeah, now you are just caving in. You can't think of anything clever to say, because I called you out on being racially insensitive. "Ditto" is the best you have.

Tell me, did you perform community service for those of other racial groups, while expecting nothing in return? If so, how many times?
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