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Poll: Can atheism ever be based on faith?
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Possibly because atheism could be based not only on evidence but also on preference or intuition, this would be faith in atheism.
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Never, atheism always contradicts faith. There is no faith without belief in the supernatural.
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Is atheism ever a faith?
#31
RE: Is atheism ever a faith?
Thank you,thank you.............Chatpilot returns to his neutral corner after bowing profusely lol.
There is nothing people will not maintain when they are slaves to superstition

http://chatpilot-godisamyth.blogspot.com/

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#32
RE: Is atheism ever a faith?
(October 21, 2008 at 4:18 pm)chatpilot Wrote: Thank you,thank you.............Chatpilot returns to his neutral corner after bowing profusely lol.

Yes...well done gj! lol.

I gave you your first +1 rep point for that comment...it was a good comment IMO.
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#33
RE: Is atheism ever a faith?
Thanks for the rep point there EvidenceVsFaith I appreciate it.This is a subject I can talk about for ages if I was to live that long.Honestly though,the onus to prove the existence of God does not lie with us the non-believers but with the one who is making the statement.In this case the Christians.I am of the opinion that the existence of God is unprovable for the following reasons:
1.God, if he exist does so in a supernatural realm outside of our own.One where no science can ever reach without suspending reason.

2.He cannot be put in a test tube to be analyzed.

3.He has not made any appearances or taken any interviews to state his case.

As I always say to believe in God you have to suspend logic and reason and go by faith which as I always say is nothing more than voluntary ignorance.Lets not forget also that the bible is nothing more than copies of copies written and rewritten by hand by scribes of those days and was subject to errors in interpretation and biased scribes who would change a text to conform to their own beliefs at the time.
There is nothing people will not maintain when they are slaves to superstition

http://chatpilot-godisamyth.blogspot.com/

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#34
RE: Is atheism ever a faith?
(October 22, 2008 at 12:48 pm)chatpilot Wrote: Thanks for the rep point there EvidenceVsFaith I appreciate it.This is a subject I can talk about for ages if I was to live that long.Honestly though,the onus to prove the existence of God does not lie with us the non-believers but with the one who is making the statement.In this case the Christians.I am of the opinion that the existence of God is unprovable for the following reasons:
1.God, if he exist does so in a supernatural realm outside of our own.One where no science can ever reach without suspending reason.

2.He cannot be put in a test tube to be analyzed.

3.He has not made any appearances or taken any interviews to state his case.

As I always say to believe in God you have to suspend logic and reason and go by faith which as I always say is nothing more than voluntary ignorance.Lets not forget also that the bible is nothing more than copies of copies written and rewritten by hand by scribes of those days and was subject to errors in interpretation and biased scribes who would change a text to conform to their own beliefs at the time.

Yes, - and if you say God is above logic, and he doesn't even need to follow logic, - you can justify anything! Its absurd. All the contradictions in the Bible/Koran/Book of Mormon, etc, can be justified because God doesn't have to even make sense in his book(s)! He could have lied about everything! There could be no heaven, no hell. Or ONLY Hell. Or only Heaven. Or only Limbo. Just use your imagination! Its absurd! Anything is justifiable if you say God doesn't need to obey logic.
And of course if God DOES have to obey logic - then all logic is against him. So he's very very very very very improbable indeed - in that case. Because according to logic, the probability that God doesn't have to obey logic to justify his existence - whatever HE is - is pretty much INFINITELY improabable.
Is this right? Or a bit OTT, etc? Can you make sense of it?
I hope I've made myself clear.
Hope that makes sense, correct me if I'm wrong.
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#35
RE: Is atheism ever a faith?
I understand you perfectly and you are 100 percent correct.I have also read the book of Mormon and have come to the determination that it is nothing more than a plagiarized version of the Bible.Alot of the stories are similar the only things that change are the characters names and the places but the circumstances are pretty much the same.You have read my tag line at the bottom of all my messages right?Trust me dealing with religious folks through the use of reason is like talking (administering medicine) to the dead.
There is nothing people will not maintain when they are slaves to superstition

http://chatpilot-godisamyth.blogspot.com/

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#36
RE: Is atheism ever a faith?
(October 23, 2008 at 12:57 pm)chatpilot Wrote: I understand you perfectly and you are 100 percent correct.I have also read the book of Mormon and have come to the determination that it is nothing more than a plagiarized version of the Bible.Alot of the stories are similar the only things that change are the characters names and the places but the circumstances are pretty much the same.You have read my tag line at the bottom of all my messages right?Trust me dealing with religious folks through the use of reason is like talking (administering medicine) to the dead.

Yeah, I guess though, if they ever DO lose their faith, they'll remember our comments (or whatever the scientific arguments by whoever the Atheists they talked to were). And that could be of some help to fall back on. I don't think the efforts are wasted. Anyway I find it interesting and enjoy administering medicine to the dead sometimes funnily enough (in the metaphorical sense of course!)
I believe you can learn from anything.
I enjoy these debates even if I'm arguing against a faith-head...even if only for the entertainment...I dunno I find it interesting, and it helps me find even more holes in their arguments, strengthening my own argument but usually only very slightly. But strengthening nonetheless.
I'm just testing [1, 2, 3]. I find Atheism to be a journey, but only when its based on evidence and probability. If Atheism is instead based on (pretty much) merely an intuition, in my experience thats more like an adrenaline rush that's good for a while but potentially unstable and unsatisfying and can result in some pretty serious complications. And after you've learnt the more scientific way, you realise that rush wasn't half as good as scientific wonder is.
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#37
RE: Is atheism ever a faith?
(October 22, 2008 at 12:48 pm)chatpilot Wrote: 1.God, if he exist does so in a supernatural realm outside of our own.One where no science can ever reach without suspending reason.
less than 100% conviction

that means you're an agnostic atheist rather than a gnostic atheist as you discribed yourself previously
(September 24, 2008 at 10:36 am)chatpilot Wrote: I don't need further proof of gods non-existence since I have convinced myself based on the evidence that he does not exist.
100% conviction

Do you see the contradition, anyway welcome to reality
Atheist = Realist
Theist = Arealist
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#38
RE: Is atheism ever a faith?
(October 23, 2008 at 9:48 pm)Bungy Wrote:
(October 22, 2008 at 12:48 pm)chatpilot Wrote: 1.God, if he exist does so in a supernatural realm outside of our own.One where no science can ever reach without suspending reason.
less than 100% conviction

that means you're an agnostic atheist rather than a gnostic atheist as you discribed yourself previously
(September 24, 2008 at 10:36 am)chatpilot Wrote: I don't need further proof of gods non-existence since I have convinced myself based on the evidence that he does not exist.
100% conviction

Do you see the contradition, anyway welcome to reality
I'm guessing - and this is only a guess - that chatpilot was bending over backwards a bit for the sake of argument in the first quote - either intentionally or unintentionally - or perhaps it was just an accidental mistake.
He seems to have made it very clear that he himself 'knows' there is no God.
I don't see how he can know this, I agree with the first quote more than the second....unless by being fully convinced as he says in the second quote - he just means as convinced as possible - as close to 100% as possible but not 100%.
But I have always had the idea since I first met chatpilot here - that he really does think there 100% is no God... for SURE.
I'd be interested to read your response chatpilot.
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#39
RE: Is atheism ever a faith?
In the first quote I was bending over backwards it was intentional.The second quote is where I currently stand.Now,what I mean by saying that I am fully convinced that there is no god is that so far the evidence that I have come across has led me to beleive that.

Since in my view religion is nothing more than a primitivistic worldview to attempt to explain those things which in more ancient times were unexplainable or unknowable.The concept of a god comes from the realm of myths and a lack of understanding by a primitive people prior to the advent of science.

I don't think if man was not curious as to his origins (which he is),that we would even have a concept of god or gods.The idea of a being creating and watching over us is primitive and outdated.Most religious explanations of the universe or the world have been proven wrong by the sciences.This view has led me to believe that there is no god.I am 100 percent sure that there is none.But that is my opinion.
There is nothing people will not maintain when they are slaves to superstition

http://chatpilot-godisamyth.blogspot.com/

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#40
RE: Is atheism ever a faith?
(October 24, 2008 at 12:47 pm)chatpilot Wrote: In the first quote I was bending over backwards it was intentional.The second quote is where I currently stand.Now,what I mean by saying that I am fully convinced that there is no god is that so far the evidence that I have come across has led me to beleive that.

Since in my view religion is nothing more than a primitivistic worldview to attempt to explain those things which in more ancient times were unexplainable or unknowable.The concept of a god comes from the realm of myths and a lack of understanding by a primitive people prior to the advent of science.

I don't think if man was not curious as to his origins (which he is),that we would even have a concept of god or gods.The idea of a being creating and watching over us is primitive and outdated.Most religious explanations of the universe or the world have been proven wrong by the sciences.This view has led me to believe that there is no god.I am 100 percent sure that there is none.But that is my opinion.
Yeah, well thats what I thought and you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
I myself believe God is just about as improbable you can get without being impossible. He probably is impossible, but he might not be IMO.
I don't believe we can know anything 100%, but I also don't believe we can't even know this. So I think its possible we CAN know some things 100%. I think its possible, but highly improbable, because even if we know for sure..how do we know that we know for sure?. I don't see how we can. We might be wrong.
Confusing I know, hope it made atleast some sense.
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