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RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat
November 26, 2012 at 10:49 am
What you quoted has nothing at all to do with the wars in the Middle East. You're still being a dick for no reason. What's up with that? You think I'm using rape to make some comment on war, yet you're the only one who has mentioned it. I'm trying to discuss the judicial system or lack thereof in the military where rape is concerned. I linked the article because it discusses the documentary that led me to this discussion and it also discusses statistics. Now, please point to me where in what you linked they mention Afghanistan at all. If "The Invisible War" is what you are looking at, you clearly didn't read the entire article. The Invisible War is a movie not some euphemism for "I hate the war in Afghanistan."
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RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat
November 26, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Just to add: Sexual assault doesn't only occur in the field either. How many reports have there been recently of female cadets being raped either by fellow cadets or their instructors? I Googled... too many choices to pick from, so go Google yourself and pick your poison. It's a serious problem, not just in the war zones, but throughout the military.
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RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat
November 27, 2012 at 3:41 am
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Ummm don't guys get raped also in the military? I've heard sometimes it happens from somebody that used to serve, having so many guys around and in a small area somebody is getting raped. I don't condone it but it's statistically expected.
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RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat
November 27, 2012 at 11:18 am
(November 27, 2012 at 3:41 am)JohnDG Wrote: Ummm don't guys get raped also in the military? I've heard sometimes it happens from somebody that used to serve, having so many guys around and in a small area somebody is getting raped. I don't condone it but it's statistically expected.
Ummm, yeah. The point of the thread is the likelihood of rape trauma being greater than combat trauma, which is only true for women. However, if you read the conversation that followed, you would see me mention men numerous times.
There are plenty of instances where you have that many guys and rape is not "expected." That is because they have a reasonable expectation of getting caught and punished. The odds are against that in the military.
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RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat
November 27, 2012 at 1:31 pm
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I would venture to suggest that some degree of psychological or socialogical pathology is involved if substantial number of people do indeed regard the trauma of rape without threat to life to be worse than the trauma of facing actual death.
It is perverse to regard certain relatively superficial self-perception to be dearer than the very life that made it possible.
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RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat
November 27, 2012 at 1:37 pm
(November 27, 2012 at 1:31 pm)Chuck Wrote: I would venture to suggest that some degree of psychological or socialogical pathology is involved if substantial number of people do indeed regard the trauma of rape without threat to life to be worse than the trauma of facing actual death.
It is perverse to regard certain relatively superficial self-perception to be dearer than the very life that made it possible.
Hmm. I think there's a certain existential nobility to the notion--something like, "Better to die free than to live a slave". Self-preservation at any cost is not so universal a maxim that departure from such is necessarily "perverse".
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RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat
November 27, 2012 at 1:48 pm
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(November 27, 2012 at 1:37 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: (November 27, 2012 at 1:31 pm)Chuck Wrote: I would venture to suggest that some degree of psychological or socialogical pathology is involved if substantial number of people do indeed regard the trauma of rape without threat to life to be worse than the trauma of facing actual death.
It is perverse to regard certain relatively superficial self-perception to be dearer than the very life that made it possible.
Hmm. I think there's a certain existential nobility to the notion--something like, "Better to die free than to live a slave". Self-preservation at any cost is not so universal a maxim that departure from such is necessarily "perverse".
There is no nobility in overtrumpeted irrationality, only childish pretenses shielding fundamental irresponsibility.
I would be very sorry to see any woman regarding herself as or more damaged by rape than by death.
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RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat
November 27, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Trauma is relative, subjective. What one person finds traumatic another may find relatively normal. However, the violation of one's own body, even without the threat of being killed, is an ultimate powerlessness. Not being able to protect oneself from violation is terrifying. Facing death is also terrifying. I don't think there is a hierarchy of one being worse than the other. If one is powerless to defend themselves from being raped, one is also powerless from fending off death at the hands of an attacker. On some level it is the same, a violation of the person's very being.
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RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat
November 27, 2012 at 1:54 pm
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Only because society has long, if now subtly, perpetuated the perverse notion that a woman's sole value is in her potential to be a faithful breeding cow for her man. The very notion that rape is the "ultimate powerlessness" is just another marketing ploy used to prepetuate this perversity. A raped woman is not powerless. She has the power to repair herself. She has the power to go after her attacker. A dead woman has none of these.
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RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat
November 27, 2012 at 1:56 pm
(November 27, 2012 at 1:51 pm)festive1 Wrote: Trauma is relative, subjective. What one person finds traumatic another may find relatively normal. However, the violation of one's own body, even without the threat of being killed, is an ultimate powerlessness. Not being able to protect oneself from violation is terrifying. Facing death is also terrifying. I don't think there is a hierarchy of one being worse than the other. If one is powerless to defend themselves from being raped, one is also powerless from fending off death at the hands of an attacker. On some level it is the same, a violation of the person's very being.
These accounts of why rape is harmful always seem like such bullshit. What if someone hugs you without your permission? Isn't that "violating" you, since you aren't consenting to it? Isn't that a "violation of the person's very being"?
Isn't the main reason that we find rape so abhorrent and traumatic...because of how we think about sex? Someone hitting (without consent) a person in the face with a broomstick is one thing. Someone forcefully and without consent shoving a broomstick up a person's anus is another.
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